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Oct. 14
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Here we go: 1) the Associated Press prints a story about 2) research done by — surprise, surprise — researchers 3)which appears to undermine the deeply-loved right wing conviction that all academics [or most of us] are leftist proselytizers, and 4) IHE reports on the AP story. The first post in response to this news ridicules the results of the research by suggesting that IHE is responsible for the story, as though this ‘ad newspaperem’ refutes the results of the study. Of course, the poster need not even bother to discredit the researchers; it is enough that they are researchers [academics] whose work undermines his own view! Why, oh why, don’t we require a logic test for voter registration?
cts, at 5:15 pm EDT on October 14, 2008
From the AP: “On issues such as abortion, gay marriage and religion, college students shift noticeably to the left from the time they arrive on campus through their junior year, new research shows[.]”
How does anyone accept this limited survey of topics as any “shift to the left?”
Let’s discuss the “logic,” as demanded by CTS.
A reasonable paraphrase of this reported statement is: “If views on abortion, gay marriage, and religion have changed (assuming toward more liberal views), then students have (liberalized).” — Again, pick your term of choice; you still understand what is said here.
The contrapositive of this would be: “If students have not ‘(liberalized),’ then views on abortion, gay marriage and religion have not changed.”
(For those of you not familiar with the concept of “contrapositive,” try wikipedia — or, even better, try an actual course in mathematical logic, not the philosophical logic being spewed throughout academia.)
I submit that these three criteria are not necessarily to be collectively (each and everyone) changed in the minds of students in order for them to become ‘(liberalized).’
This is but one logical fallacy of this report.
The obvious one is when I cite that an institution of higher learning ends up having its result published on this site means somehow that this site is “responsible” for the AP’s reporting of the original data to begin with. This is BS, and, “We’re Off!” again, from the other direction.
(I must admit, though, that I’m still chuckling at CTS’s subject line, before I responded. It had taken too long for another comment, and the immediate response was, “We’re Off!” Hilarious) Thank you, IHE.
DFS, at 6:40 pm EDT on October 14, 2008
One could disagree with DFS but not legitimately on the grounds suggested by CTS.
The issue isn’t whether profs are successful in indoctrinating students — it’s whether they’re indoctrinating them or giving them one sided views or requiring them to parrot back their political preferences It’s entirely possible that students might be affected by the leftist students because profs teach their courses in a way that fails to inform students of the weaknesses of leftist approaches.
AYY, at 4:55 am EDT on October 15, 2008
Oh, DFS, here I thought we were reaching some level of mutual repsect (adjunct faculty). I probably did overreact to your’s being the first post; I find myself less and less happy with the quality of conversation here on IHE, and that may be making me cranky. You are right, I think, that the research criteria are pretty odd, although I believe they also asked about partisan identification. (I may be misremembering.)But, please, do not scorn ‘philosophical logic’ as though it were some strnage beast unrelated to ‘mathematical logic.’ Most bona fide logicians whom I know are well versed in both. In fact, contraposition is a relation obtaining between subjects and predicates in propositions — not simply a mathematical relation. Now, of course, if by ‘philosophical logic’ you mean what many nonphilosophers seem to mean, I’m with you. :-)
cts, at 4:50 pm EDT on October 15, 2008
Yes, there is mutual respect. :)
I take your point about contraposition.
It was just a long day, and sometimes I get a bit stident.
I’m still laughing at that “We’re Off!” line again today!
DFS, at 5:35 am EDT on October 16, 2008
Well, good! I’m always glad to make someone laugh. :-)
cts, at 11:05 am EDT on October 16, 2008
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Oh, So It’s the Students!
Does anyone else see the irony in this report by an institution of higher learning, published on an internet site for those interested in higher learning, that it’s remarkably not the influence of professors which causes leftist attitudes to be acquired by students in the freshmen to junior years?
We learn something new everyday!
DFS, at 4:00 pm EDT on October 14, 2008