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Oct. 10
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Just wait for hunting season, get a permit, and shoot the critter. Then serve turkey and noodles in the cafeteria. (Of course you’d probably need another special permit to carry and discharge a firearm on the campus or in the city...) Oh no, wait. Massachusetts is a liberal state so they probably don’t have any control of guns there.
Turkey-Lurkey, at 8:40 am EDT on October 10, 2008
You call this news? There have been turkeys on college campuses for years.
Cranberry Sauce, at 8:40 am EDT on October 10, 2008
“The U.S. culture that is discouraging girls is also discouraging boys,”
Discouraging girls? What planet are these authors on? We have had decades of encouragement of girls in education, including math, while boys languish. In fact the press release linked above has the heading “US culture derails girl math whizzes", no mention of those boys. ‘U.S. culture that is encouraging girls is discouraging boys’ would be more like it.
Beam Me Up, at 9:25 am EDT on October 10, 2008
In southern Illinois in 1967, I was the only girl at my huge consolidated high school EVER to have taken physics. When I walked into the physics lab, the teacher told me I was in the wrong place, and sent me back to the office to check. An administrator had to accompany me to the classroom and order the teacher to admit me.
The teacher retaliated by seating me far back in the lab, with six empty rows between me and the male students. Of course, I did poorly in the course. I could barely see the board or hear the instructor’s voice!
I recall, in the late 1980’s, reading an article in the New York Times detailing physical differences between male and female brains as the cause of the supposedly natural differences between males and females in mathematical and mechanical ability.
Then I came to teach in the Middle East, where I was astonished to discover that, in both secondary and postsecondary school, girls take exactly the same mathematics and physical science courses as boys do, and do better, on the average, than boys do in these subjects.
There are physical differences between male and female brains, but to assume that these differences are the cause of American women’s underachievement in mathematics is like saying that children who don’t have the opportunity to go to school can’t read because they are less intelligent that those who do.
Anne Osman, at 9:51 am EDT on October 10, 2008
I have observed that primary school education in math is so poor that many students succeed despite the educational system rather than because of it.
In addition, the American obsession with getting rich steers students who are proficient in math toward finance and Wall Street rather than engineering, math science and academics.
Miles D. Berkow, at 12:05 pm EDT on October 10, 2008
Let’s see — first, the calculator industry told us that the earlier one uses a calculator in life, the mind would become “free” to teach itself.
Math Ed majors learn a lot less math, and from fewer actual mathematicians, than do professional math majors.
Many elementary and middle school teachers did not have to take much math. In fact, many cannot teach math, much less without a calculator.
Even the president of my college informs incoming students that algebra was “to hard” for him to understand.
What do we expect? When we don’t raise the bar, students will rarely achieve the appropriate goal on their own.
Things will get much worse before they ever get better. I hope to live long enough to teach a math class whose collective knowledge of math equals the entire collective knowledge of my classmates in high school.
Mathematician, at 2:50 pm EDT on October 10, 2008
Mathematician, The entirety of your post is self-serving. You spend it all bragging about how much you know about math. I don’t think I should take your word for it.
Yes, “Math Ed” is a joke major. But that doesn’t explain or refute the argument that girls are being discouraged.
Ms. Osman, The country has changed a lot since the 1960s. Despite your righteous indignation about an article from the 1960s, you didn’t say whether or not it is true that lady brains are different than man brains, and if, so, whether those differences make it hard to learn math.
However, in my experience I have seen nothing about encouragement for any young lady that wants to study math. Unfortunately, too many young ladies opt to attend parties or watch TV, so they won’t be good at anything.
Larry, at 4:30 pm EDT on October 10, 2008
The merger in Georgia is likely just the first wave in response to the economic depression hitting the world. It is also very likely that the HED for the next year will have a longer than usual of college closings too. And not just for-profit career colleges either. There are many small privates and even not-for-profits that are teetering on the edge. The pool of potential students will shrink as jobs are lost. College tuition loans will tighten making the pool even shallower. Public support and donations will dry up.
Yet, we will not learn. Likely raise tuition and cut out more students. We will still focus on admissions when retention is going to be the key. And we probably will not change with the reality of our economic and social situation which will lose us more support. (http://academicmaps.blogspot.com/...s-lose-billions-of-dollars-and.html)
We should change ourselves before others change us! Georgia, I fear is just the start.Neal R www.academicmaps.blogspot.com
Neal Raisman, President at Academicmaps, at 6:00 pm EDT on October 10, 2008
Yes, girls were being discouraged. But now everyone is.
I have re-read my comment and I can only wonder about why you took it that way.
The facts are facts. Deal with it. And while you’re at it, put down your calculator.
Math Guy, at 6:00 pm EDT on October 10, 2008
Give me a break. There is nothing but encouragement for girls now.
DFS, at 6:00 pm EDT on October 10, 2008
There was knowledge out there which is being no longer conveyed.
The calculators have deleted this. This will become apparent over time. I send you to Well’s College Algebra, 1904.
Another Mathematician, at 6:00 pm EDT on October 10, 2008
Has anyone examined the pedigree of the turkey? Is there a possibility that the turkey is simply a “lost” President?
Linda Bourgeois, Ph.D., Director, Campus Diversity at MVSU, at 12:30 pm EDT on October 12, 2008
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Turkey at Harvard Biz School
I’m surprised that Harvard didn’t offer the turkey a professorship on the tenured track. Or if it’s degree credentials were a bit hazy, a full scholarship in the name of cultural diversity.
rosanne soifer, adjunct—Music Business and Lifeskills at Touro College-NYC, at 8:40 am EDT on October 10, 2008