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When Sen. John McCain used an appearance at Columbia University last week to criticize the university for not allowing Reserve Officers Training Corps programs on campus, no one was shocked. But many people were surprised when Sen. Barack Obama was asked for his thoughts and he said that “the notion that young people here at Columbia or anywhere, in any university, aren’t offered the choice, the option of participating in military service, I think is a mistake.”

Since those comments on Thursday, the issue of ROTC at Columbia (and a few of the other colleges that uninvited the military program in the ’60s) has received heightened attention. But while more Columbia students are talking about the issue, and there may even be a student vote, the issue has become somewhat muddled.

Pro-ROTC students are frustrated by the suggestion that only Obama could get students interested in this issue, when in fact many were working on it for some time before his appearance. And some at the university are angry about the suggestions of the candidates — and many columnists — that ROTC students are barred from Columbia when the university does permit its students to participate in ROTC at other New York City campuses.

Columbia had ROTC on campus for decades, but booted the program during the Vietnam War, with many professors saying that it was inappropriate for the university to have such military ties. While the war in Iraq may not win much support at Columbia, that has not been the focus of debate in recent years. Supporters of bringing ROTC directly on campus have cited the need for students to make their own choices about participation, the values of national service, and the generous scholarships ROTC students receive. Opponents cite the military’s discrimination against openly gay people — a policy that directly contradicts the anti-bias policies at Columbia and many other universities.

At Columbia, the University Senate (which has students, professors and administrators) three years ago voted down a proposal to bring ROTC back. Lee C. Bollinger, president of Columbia, cited the bias issue in defending the Senate’s decision. “I believe the men and women who serve our country in uniform deserve our utmost respect and support. I also believe they and all Americans deserve a military that does not discriminate invidiously against any individuals who volunteer to serve and sacrifice for our country,” Bollinger wrote in a letter to The Wall Street Journal, which criticized the Senate’s vote.

This year, some students have been pushing for a referendum on bringing ROTC back, and some of the press coverage of this in the wake of the McCain and Obama appearance has created the impression that this vote might bring ROTC back to campus. In fact the student vote would have no binding power — and the university’s policy remains unchanged.

In addition, many of the student leaders pushing for a referendum say they aren’t necessarily backing the return of ROTC, but just want to let students voice their opinion on the matter. Rajat Roy, one of the students in the Senate, is backing a referendum because he was approached by an engineering student who wants to participate in Naval ROTC on campus. But while Roy has been involved with pushing for a vote, he declined to offer any opinion. If the Senate takes up the issue again, he said, he would use the student referendum as a guide. “I have to do what my constituency tells me,” he said.

Roy noted that the push for a referendum predated the presidential candidates’ visit to campus.

Some students pushing for a referendum, however, are strong advocates of bringing ROTC back. Austin Byrd is a junior who has already completed the program at the Marine Corps Officer Candidates School and will join the Marines after graduation. Byrd said that he would probably have sought to join Navy ROTC if Columbia had the option. Asked why he enrolled at a university very public about its lack of on-campus ROTC, Byrd said that he is an art history major and believes that Columbia’s department and New York City’s offerings made the university his top choice.

To Byrd, Columbia’s current policy is hypocritical. “Columbia is an American university that benefits enormously from the protections of the United States military,” yet the “privileged” students there want to keep the military out. He said that he finds many students “ignorant” about the military — and he believes Obama’s comments might change the way the conversation plays out.

“Most students here really do not care what McCain says, so I think Obama has done a service in that we’ll be able to point to someone they respect” who wants ROTC back. Obama “could say anything on this campus and people would applaud,” so his statement “opens room for a debate.”

ROTC at Columbia and other top universities has become something of a rallying cry for conservative critics of academe, but also for others. It’s not just The Wall Street Journal that is criticizing Columbia but also The Washington Post, which in an editorial after last week’s candidate remarks said: “‘Don’t ask, don’t tell’ is a misguided policy. For the time being, though, it is the law of the land, and we see no sign that the Ivies’ protest is having any impact on it. Meanwhile, the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines defend all Americans, gay or straight. ROTC-free Ivy League institutions accept the financial aid that students earn for participating in ROTC elsewhere.” (Actually only half of the Ivy League keeps ROTC off campus — units are present at Cornell University, Dartmouth College, Princeton University and the University of Pennsylvania.)

The editorial added that “among other benefits, the restoration of ROTC at the Ivies might help reconnect two important American subcultures — elite academia and the military officer corps — that have grown apart.”

Besides Columbia, the Ivy institution that has been subject to the most scrutiny over ROTC is Harvard University. Like Columbia, Harvard does not have ROTC on campus, but permits students to participate nearby, in this case at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Harvard’s former president, Lawrence H. Summers, made a point of speaking each year at the ROTC commissioning ceremony.

This past year was the first commissioning ceremony during Drew Faust’s presidency — and she won praise from ROTC advocates when it was announced that she would continue the tradition of appearing at the ceremony, but was then criticized by these supporters when word got out that she might criticize “don’t ask, don’t tell.”

In her address, Faust ended up largely praising the ROTC students. “You have awakened at dawn while your roommates slept in,” she said. “You have jumped out of airplanes, challenged your bodies and your brains and become mentally and physically prepared for service. You have our respect for your choices, our admiration for your commitment, and our deep gratitude for your willingness to confront dangers on the nation’s behalf in the months and years to come.” As to “don’t ask, don’t tell,” her comments were brief and subtle: “The freedoms we enjoy depend vitally on the service you and your forebears have undertaken in our behalf. Indeed, I wish that there were more of you. I believe that every Harvard student should have the opportunity to serve in the military, as you do, and as those honored in the past have done.”

The Harvard approach — of praising ROTC students while keeping their training off campus — has support from many at the institution.

An editorial in The Harvard Crimson, the student newspaper, said that the military’s anti-gay policy “is so inconsistent with our institution’s humanitarian principles ... that many members of the Harvard community correctly cite the discriminatory policy as the most compelling reason to continue prohibiting ROTC on Harvard’s campus.” While ROTC students are “inconvenienced” by having to go to MIT, the editorial says, the university’s policy of enforcing its anti-bias rule is an important part of a “stand against institutionalized intolerance for homosexuality.”

One oddity of the debate over ROTC in the last week is that many of the articles have suggested that the tensions surface only in the Ivy League. Actually, the tensions tend to surface at places contemplating a change in ROTC status (adding it, for example) and similar issues come up in the discussions at many other campuses.

The year, for example, the University of Maryland-Baltimore County held a series of meetings on whether it should apply to host a ROTC unit on campus instead of having its students train elsewhere. As at other campuses, opposition came in large part from students and others who cited the military’s anti-gay policies. One lesbian student was quoted in The Baltimore Sun as saying that adding a ROTC unit would make part of the campus a place “where I’m not welcome.” Petitions were circulated against the ROTC idea. Proponents noted that having a ROTC unit on campus would add to the number of scholarships available to UMBC students.

After two public meetings, university administrators announced that UMBC would apply for the ROTC unit, and would also work to oppose the military’s discriminatory policies. “It is our intent to continue expressing strong concern about this policy because we, as a campus, oppose discrimination against any group,” said a letter to the campus from President Freeman Hrabowski and Provost Art Johnson.

UMBC’s application is pending.

Scott Jaschik

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ROTC Isn’t Banned at Columbia

I really wish this myth of history didn’t get repeated so often. Columbia does not ban ROTC, and has never banned ROTC. In 1969, they voted to end ROTC as a curricular program and make it an extracurricular program. The military then banned it. So any complaint that Columbia allows some dictator to speak on campus but bans the military just isn’t true. The military is free under the same conditions.

Of course, it’s equally ridiculous to note that ROTC students are free to attend ROTC at other campuses. Of course they are—how could any college dream of regulating where students go to learn on their own?

What’s interesting to find is to what extent the military will be willing to bend its idiotic rules (imposed by Congress) to allow ROTC units that don’t violate basic academic standards. It’s time to change those and then bring ROTC back, in the form of military studies programs, to all colleges.

John K. Wilson, collegefreedom.org, at 8:35 am EDT on September 17, 2008

Simply bar any school that doesn’t allow ROTC from receiving any/all federal funds. If an institution wants to feed off the trough, make it all or none.

J.P., at 8:51 am EDT on September 17, 2008

John Wilson relies on semantics in stating that ROTC has not been banned at Columbia. By insisting on impossible standards (such as making ROTC an academic program under faculty control rather than a training program under military control) that any reasonable person would understand that the military cannot comply with, Columbia has in fact effectively banned ROTC.

ROTC is a military (and naval) training program, not an academic program. Academics have no more credibility telling the Army how to train cadets in the fundamentals of marksmanship than soldiers would have in telling Columbia how to teach Shakespeare.

It is to the military’s credit that it recognizes the value of a well-rounded education for its officers. This should not only be applauded but further encouraged, for an isolated and out-of-control military is a grave danger to any society. The military is a major institution of our government and in our society; academia should welcome opportunities to interact with the military and to gain knowledge and understanding of it.

Doug, at 9:20 am EDT on September 17, 2008

The mandatory ROTC I and all other enrolled males participated in 1966-1968 was an academic joke. We had full dress uniform drill every Wednesday with practice formations and marching. We cleaned M1 rifles every other week but only used them to march with. Weapons cleaning was an opportunity for sadistic, gung-ho, military sergeants and upper classmen (there were no women) to denigrate and abuse anybody who did not conform to their ideas of deportment. Demerits were freely handed out and uncontestable. If the classmen (usually dorm resident advisors) hadn’t given out the answers in advance to every exam I would have failed on demerits alone. The subjects were military manuals and the history of warfare. If one wants to go to college go. If one wants to join the military join. But never confuse what passes for Retired Officer Training Corps as an academic subject. –Andy Hudson

Andy Hudson, at 9:50 am EDT on September 17, 2008

ROTC tied to Fed Funds & Leadership

There’s something to be said for the leadership that is instilled in ROTC taught on campuses. The courses are definitely credit worthy, if we are to consider some other course areas are credit worthy too.

JP’s comments on federal funds is a bit over kill though. I like an institution being able to decide for itself what it will offer. If the trustees, alumni, and students (not the faculty) of my school decide ROTC is not in its long term interests, but doing research on cures to save lives for the next epidemic vaccine is, I hope fed funds would still be available for research and more. Paul(A life member of the VFW from submarine service as a Navy Veteran.)

Wilbur Beauregard, Penn State, at 9:50 am EDT on September 17, 2008

I believe there will be a day when openly gay and lesbian citizens serve in our armed forces. That isn’t tomorrow. Is it within five years — doubtful. Ten years — maybe. Fifteen years — probably. One can decry that as being too long. Perhaps it is and there will be a commander in chief with the courage to change the current policy before then. More likely though is that the policy will change as broader society becomes more accepting. The military, as a segment of society, will also become more accepting, but only if we continue to commission officers from America’s colleges and universities — from our most elite private and public colleges and universities, to small regional private colleges and universities. It is on college campuses where young citizens are most likely to interact with people who are different than them. Where we can promote open and respectful dialog about differences. Where true relationships can be established with someone you never felt you could have a relationship with. By barring ROTC or having ROTC cadets go to another location for their precommissioning education, you are actually segregating the population you will want and need to help change the current policy, and implement the new policy. Engagement is the best strategy. So keep them on campus, engage in discourse, build relationships, and change attitudes and policies from the inside.

Chris, at 10:07 am EDT on September 17, 2008

ROTC in New York

The Army, Navy, and Air Force maintains one ROTC detachment each in New York City at three different schools. Most of the students who participate are usually not from the hosting school. By concentrating the respective programs at one school ROTC maximizes its resources. The whole debate is a red herring. Most of the schools who allow students to participate do not host ROTC — NYU, CUNY, SUNY, St. John’s, etc. It is better for the program, and better for the students. The debate is a distraction and has no practical benefit. I am disappointed that Obama apparently spoke with little understanding of the issue.

Publius, at 10:07 am EDT on September 17, 2008

ROTC and Mission Creep

ROTC is a program that long outlived its original mission.

Its original mission was to raise an officer corps quickly during WWII. All of this other folderol that has been said about it nothing more than rationalization for “mission creep.”

As one poster said, it’s a military program, not an academic program-so why must it be part of a school’s curriculum.

Students who want to be part of the military while being students have ample opportunity to either, just up and join the military or National Guard, so let them do that.

Utahprof, at 10:40 am EDT on September 17, 2008

‘While ROTC students are “inconvenienced” by having to go to MIT, the editorial says, the university’s policy of enforcing its anti-bias rule is an important part of a “stand against institutionalized intolerance for homosexuality.”’

except when money is involved.

FAIR v. Rumsfeld dealt with campus military recruitment of law school students. While ROTC differs in that it is not covered by the Solomon amendment, the same argument was made by the universities that is being made here regarding taking a, “stand against institutionalized intolerance for homosexuality.” The supreme court mockingly noted in their opinion, “We have held that high school students can appreciate the difference between speech a school sponsors and speech the school permits, pursuant to an equal access policy. [citations] Surely students have not lost that ability by the time they get to law school.” Surely Harvard and Columbia students can be added to the list.

After the FAIR v. Rumsfeld decision, when confronted with the choice of losing federal money or enforcing anti-bias rules, the schools took the money. The schools are no longer virgins when it comes to purity of anti-homosexuality stands. No one faults them for this because they know, as they knew all along, that the schools are not endorsing the military’s position on homosexuality. Since this is the case, why all the fuss about ROTC?

justaguy, parent & taxpayer, at 10:57 am EDT on September 17, 2008

Hey Andy, it is 2008. Your comments implying the ROTC in 2008 is the same as ROTC in the 60’s is ridiculous. Maybe you should go by an ROTC program, look at their syllabi and sit in on a course. Are all ROTC courses academically rigorous? No, and perhaps they don’t merit academic credit. But there are ROTC courses that are more academically rigorous than other courses taught on our campuses. Military history is history, and includes sociology, political science, philosophy, law, and economics. If the premise is pre-professional courses don’t merit academic recognition, we better close our engineering, business, and nursing programs.

Chris, at 11:25 am EDT on September 17, 2008

Still valid

The ROTC programs are still very valid in the US today. If anyone thinks they are not, then they haven’t been to an ROTC class in a while. We still need officer training, today more than ever, and it should come from the ranks of the educated. To just sign up with the military or join the National Guard isn’t keeping up with the times.

I have been at two universities, both with ROTC programs, each with it’s own uniqueness, and I can say that both have served this country well. In addition the scholarship money that is available to the cadets is very helpful for those who need some additional help and who would want to serve their country anyway. To condemn the ROTC programs at universities across this nation is a disservice to our military and our youth.

Martin, at 11:45 am EDT on September 17, 2008

ROTC and Title IV funds

I agree that a lot of this dispute is pure semantics ala John K. Wilson’ comments. It should be very simple. If a school accepts Title IV funds, then it must permit ROTC participation. Period. Whether or not students then take ROTC courses is up to them. Columbia is wrong. Obama knows that and criticized his alma mater on that basis.

feudi pandola, at 1:10 pm EDT on September 17, 2008

When the military changes it’s anti-gay policies, and it will, it’ll be amusing to hear what excuse these colleges will invent to prevent ROTC from returning to their campuses.

Jody, at 1:40 pm EDT on September 17, 2008

Absurd? Inane?

So .. imposing Title IX and paying $1,260/year for “The Journal of Homosexuality” is OK .. but, after 9/11, ROTC is not?

Well, France has a lot less diversity than the USA. Should students from France be ejected from U.S. colleges, until France is as diverse as the USA? In solidarity with non-Caucasians in France?

Absurd or inane — it’s a toss-up. Save the world — on your time.

Buzz, at 1:40 pm EDT on September 17, 2008

ROTC

Two points.

1) The opposition to having ROTC on elite (and other) campuses is almost entirely due to anti-military animus. It predated “don’t ask, don’t tell” by decades and would almost certainly continue if Congress were to change that law.

2) It’s astounding to me to hear liberal politicians complain about the military’s reliance on working and middle class recruits, on the one hand, while on the other hand defending the refusal of elite schools to participate in the training of military officers. I was delighted to hear Sen. Obama break from this party line. It was the first time I’ve ever heard him depart from the conventional liberal point of view on a controversial subject, and his remarks may actually do so good.

DBL, at 2:45 pm EDT on September 17, 2008

The purpose of the military is killing people. Killing people is wrong. We shouldn’t help them do it.

RJS, at 3:20 pm EDT on September 17, 2008

The Purpose of the Military is Not to Kill People

No, RJS, the purpose of the military is not to kill people. The stated mission (purpose) of the US military is to deter an attack upon the United States or its interests, and if deterrence fails, to defeat or destroy the enemy. “Killing” is not involved in most of what the military does (being willing to kill usually does the trick), but — regrettably — sometimes killing is necessary.

Your local police, RJS, protect you. They do this by using, or threatening to use, violence. Using your logic, the purpose of the police is to use violence, and violence is wrong, and therefore, the police should not protect you or your family or your friends.

By the way, no major world religion categorically believes that “killing is wrong.”

Doug, at 4:10 pm EDT on September 17, 2008

Joe Biden

I wonder how Biden feels about ROTC, having flunked his mandatory ROTC course at University of Deleware.

http://rightwingprofessor.blogspot.com/

right wing professor, at 4:55 pm EDT on September 17, 2008

Why should any university be forced to have an ROTC program. That’s like saying a university HAS to have a nursing program or a medical school. If students want to be a part of ROTC, they have ample choices.

-Nathan

Nathan, at 4:55 pm EDT on September 17, 2008

Absurd, Pt. II

“If students want to be a part of ROTC, they have ample choices.”

So .. it’s OK for Morrill land-grant college-slugs to defend — with their lives — the “freedom” that “non-ample choice” elites allege is so important — but not the elites?

That is so absurd and unsustainable on so many levels, further comment is not required. If you rely on someone else to defend your rights — pray that your defenders decide not to take time off.

Buzz, at 7:20 pm EDT on September 17, 2008

ROTC

I graduated from a liberal arts college and was commissioned in the USAF. I have a Ph.D. in physics. I love it when people who have no knowledge of the military pass judgement on what the military teaches because it is not “academic.” My tax dollars support many of the universities who will not allow ROTC on campus. No ROTC, no government grants. Those commissioned in ROTC put their lives on the line to protect those who look down their noses at those protecting them. For all of you that served in the military that are reading this post, thank you for your service. You have served much more honorably than most of the “academics” I have met.

George, at 5:05 am EDT on September 18, 2008

ROTC hypocrisy

Can you imagine the outcry from conservatives if universities allowed an on-campus program that said conservatives were barred from attending? They claim to be against discrimination, but it’s only whe the discrimination is against them in fact. A prgoram that bars gays and lesbians has no place on a university campus in the twenty-first century. It’s dispiriting to see Obama using a rhetoric of free choice on this matter. Would he say it should eb afree choice whether or not to participate in a program that bars African-Americans?

Hugh, prof, at 2:15 pm EDT on September 19, 2008

Utahprof

Let’s buy your premise: ROTC is “mission creep,” a hold-over from WWII.

You are right.

Stay with me, now. . . so is the payroll withholding of taxes.

Justify yourself in this context!

Is nothing else allowed to evolve except for your own opinions?

DFS, at 5:40 pm EDT on September 19, 2008

To RJS

Whose cheek are you going to turn? Yours?

I doubt it.

Grow up.

DFS, at 5:40 pm EDT on September 19, 2008

To Hugh

Thanks for the Straw Man argument. The world does not revolve around your prediliction about the gay/lesbian issues.

We cannot use our military because our military is not open to gays & lesbians means that you cannot say no to a pass from them because you are not gay?

One does not preclude the other. Let the people sort it out, and don’t light anymore fires around all of that straw.

DFS, at 5:40 pm EDT on September 19, 2008

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