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July 30
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It worries me to think that there are a lot of individuals working with the military or in government positions with departments such as Homeland Security with these types of bogus degrees. The list referenced in the article comes from only one organization that ran a group of diploma mills and I am sure that if a list was to come out of who received these types of (fake) degrees from other diploma mills we would see many more names of individuals who have used these degrees to obtain positions within government and civilian agencies. Maybe there should be a congressional investigation into this? This is disturbing and frustrating.
DLH, Student Affairs Officer at University of California-Santa Barbara, at 1:35 pm EDT on July 30, 2008
I’ve always wondered about the employment requirements that these (bogus) degrees are fulfilling. If the employer requires an advanced degree, yet cares so little about it as to not verify the degree’s validity or even notice that the individual in question lacks the knowledge purported by such a degree, can we place all the blame on the individual playing the “game” and “credentialing” himself on the quick?Is it wrong for one to obtain a meaningless degree to meet meaningless job requirements?
JWLuiten, University of Arizona, at 2:15 pm EDT on July 30, 2008
I would take that as an altogether abstract, purely intellectual question. Not that I have any disrespect for such considerations. I support them in fact! But here, such is clearly NOT the case. These are meaningless degrees getting used in apparently very non-meaningless positions. And even if a majority of the positions these frauds fill are “meaningless” is some way, if any end up in authoritative, decision-making, policy-making positions in say Govt., Homeland Sec., etc. then this is a real issue, not an academic one, something that seriously needs address right away. Hats off and great thanks to all those who have invested so much personal time and efforts in bringing these scams to light.
EndItAllNOW!, at 2:50 pm EDT on July 30, 2008
The examples given may seem clear, but there are many grey areas relating to accreditation and “bogus degrees”. If the U.S. Government is unable to establish a clear list of approved accreditation agencies, and the agencies are unable to identify the schools they have accredited, don’t blame the student.
Is it the job of a naive student to understand what accreditation means (can you name the accreditation agency/group that accredited the schools you attended (high school and post-secondary)? Are these accreditation agencies legitimate? How do you know?
Make it a Federal requirement that, 1) for Federal student aid/loans the school be accredited by a recognized group (or require the school return all funds to the government and students if the school does not become accredited as expected), 2) the agency accrediting schools maintain an online list of schools they have accredited and dates, 3) the U.S. Department of Education maintain an online list of approved accreditation agencies (and the purpose and meaning of all accreditations), 4) Federally funded employment and U.S. government contractors review employment applications for degree and accreditation status, and 5) all schools prominently display whether their accreditation and degrees meet requirements for employment by the U.S. Federal government. Then, if someone presents themselves with a degree, we can at least have a common understanding and definition of “bogus” degree from a U.S. school. Perhaps the Dept. of Education should also consider formation of an accreditation agency/group to review foreign degrees as part of the requirement for employment by the U.S. military or government, at least where the degree is a condition of employment.
Bob Hirsch, at 3:30 pm EDT on July 30, 2008
A person with a bogus degree works for years at what must be an acceptable performance level.
1. Does that mean the degree was unnecessary for the work?
2. Does that mean no one can tell the difference between the degree holder and the diploma mill grad?
I think it means that a high percentage of our BA degrees are bee ess. A BA in social work or education often means nothing, even at the graduate level. Who could tell? I read of teachers taking years (with extensions) to pass a minimum standards test a reasonably smart high school senior would consider easy.
This problem doesn’t say anything interesting about the bad guys or their customers; crooks are crooks. But it does speak to a problem that many of the academics pontificating on this thread ought to take a bit more personally.
E. Moran, Be embarrassed, not angry, at 4:05 pm EDT on July 30, 2008
The subject of degreemills is irrelevant because there is nothing, absolutely NOTHING, that can be done about them. You might catch the odd sloppy operation but most cover themselves legally. Many of them have licensing in other parts of the world and 1,000 new ones could open tomorrow. The onus is on users of degrees to take enough interest in their legitimacy to check whether a degree was really issued by a real school.
Dennis Ruhl, at 8:55 pm EDT on July 31, 2008
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Bogus Degrees
The article is sad, but sorely needed. Printing their names for public humiliation should NOT be their only punishment. Receiving a degree from a diploma mill should be a federal crime. One only has to read the article to understand that the ripple effects go way beyond cheating and laziness.
It should be a range of charges including fraud, breach of public trust, and receiving stolen goods.
Help me out folks, I know there are other charges that should apply.
Further, they should be made to repay any income or benefits from their ill gotten gains.
Throw the book at them, and not the cliff notes version. They won’t read it, but throw it anyway. They should have plenty of time to read in jail.
dundermifflin, at 10:15 am EDT on July 30, 2008