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June 26
— Doug Lederman and Scott Jaschik
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I have great respect and appreciation for the remarkable history and contributions of Antioch over its history. However, that, to me, does not immediately justify its recreation. In its most recent decade, or longer, it suffered a simply appalling decline in academic integrity. Even some of its loving alumni upon visiting the campus could only lament what Antioch had become. And this was not lament for a decaying physical plant, but a decay of the academic core. The integrity. And this is to say nothing of the out of control spiral of political correctness when taken to the limits of this phenomenon. This, to me, has been the real question of why in the world we should try to re-open this institution. No one that I have heard in this entire sordid struggle for Antioch has even tangentially addressed these serious academic issues. Where and how is there some assurance, even any attempt, that the effort will not simply rebuild the problems that were both (in part) caused by, as well as (in part) inherently causal in its decline? As I say, I have great respect for Antioch’s contributions and its history. but that is precisely why I utterly lament what it became. I see no reason at all to support any resurrection of the college unless and until it can get a grip on the issues of academic quality, integrity, honest intellectual exploration which requires openness to many differing points of view, and the like. Sadly, Antioch lost just about all of this. And it is most distressing that none of its supporters have even mentioned these serious issues, much less put forth ways in which they will be addressed. In case I be suspect of being some conservative mole trying to undermine the resurrection effort on political grounds, nothing, nothing, could be farther from the truth. Antioch was, once, a superb and unique college, with an excellent academic program. But it lost that. It allowed its own decay at the core. To gain my support, it must both acknowledge the truth of this demise of its academic core, and offer clear plans not to simply rebuild itself in this image. It has done neither. Sadly.
Wondering, at 11:05 am EDT on June 26, 2008
Frizbane Manley,
As you have noted, IHE is not a “news” outlet that reports the most important happenings in higher education.
IHE is concerned with “shaping minds” “for all of the many constituents and diverse institutions” etc.
I would like to see a competitor to IHE that truly wants to serve the interests of those in higher education, as opposed to catering to a tiny (but vocal) worldview based on class, race, and gender.
ACF
ACF, at 12:30 pm EDT on June 26, 2008
“[A] tiny (but vocal) worldview based on class, race, and gender.”
A tiny world view? Race, class, and gender cover quite a lot, if you ask me. Ought not to be ignored. There’s also imperial globalization (that includes race, class and gender) to analyze.
As for the for-profits, Frizbane, I’m very interested in hearing about them, having taught in one of those joints myself. I’m concerned that the education market is becoming saturated with too many providers, and the competition for students is part of what is weakening education these days.
Competition has been shown to be counterproductive (or all too productive of many of the wrong values or effects). For one thing, education comes to be so narrowly focussed on what employers (think they) want, that students don’t get a chance to learn how to participate in the political process on their own collective behalf.
The idea is that competition drives down costs and adapts to student needs. I’m not so sure about that. We’ve seen how hospitals competing for patients can drive up the cost of health care. Maybe a similar, counterintuitive phenomenon is true of education as well.
James W. Gettys, at 10:15 pm EDT on June 26, 2008
Let’s see ... for centuries we learned math by practice, and this included drilling of math facts. We made it to the moon. Then the calculator industry got to increase their market share exponentially by persuading the teaching community to mandate calculator-based instruction in the early grades, so as not to “drill and kill.” This would free the minds of our young geniuses-to-be. Now these minds are free to have to reinvent the wheel each time they scratch their heads at fractions, and they are unable to interpret bad data when viewing the result of electronic computations. So much for any benefit from early use of calculators. If this generation had to use the old methods to reach the moon again, they would have a much harder time at it.
The state of collective math knowledge today should serve as a reminder when rushing to embrace the next and newest shiny technologies for classroom use. I say Back to the Basics in the early years.
DFS, at 9:40 am EDT on June 27, 2008
Whew!
Well, Mr. Gettys ... I would say your post is proof positive that Inside Higher Ed is hitting its targeted market right on the button.
By the way, if you don’t mind I will take this opportunity to provide a friendly correction to one of your earlier posts; to wit ...
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2008/06/16/first
I would not bother with this except that you emphasized with an exclamation mark and stated three times in a short comment that there are “exceptions to a rule.” That is false, and I will explain using a very simple example from fifth grade arithmetic.
You know the integers ...
I = {... -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, ...}.
You also know the rational numbers (fractions) ...
Q = {a/b where a and b are integers and b is not 0}.
They’re called rational numbers because each one is a ratio of two integers providing, of course, the denominator is not 0 (you “can’t” divide by 0).
“Every” fifth grader knows this stuff.
Here’s my first stab at a “rule” ...
“Rule 1”: “If a is a rational number, then there is a rational number b such that ab = 1”
Oops, that’s not a rule, because 0 is a rational number, but there’s nothing you can multiply 0 by in order to get 1.
Mr. Gettys, a rule is a rule. Every definition of a rule (in a logical sense) will tell you it is a statement that is always true ... no exceptions.
So how do we handle this problem? That’s easy, to wit ...
Rule 2: “If a is a rational number that is not equal to 0, then there is a rational number b such that ab = 1”
Now Rule 2 is a rule that makes us all happy. It’s always true ... no exceptions.
So you see, the way you make an “almost” rule a legitimate rule is by incorporating what YOU were calling “exceptions” into the statement of the rule.
There is no such thing as an exception to a rule. Sorry, but you have to live with that. Any time you are inclined to argue that something is an exception to a rule, you didn’t have a rule to begin with.
And that’s why we need better training for our elementary, middle, and secondary school teachers.
Frizbane Manley, at 9:25 pm EDT on June 27, 2008
I am a graduate from the early 1990’s... Certainly a lower point in the overall history of Antioch...
After I graduated... I was accepted in two of the three IVY League graduate programs I applied to. I spent three years at Yale and nearly graduated in the top 10% of my class.
It was only because I went to Antioch that I developed academic integrity... academic interests and intellectual prowess.
My professors were top notch and prepared me extremely well for classes at Cornell and Yale.
The program at Antioch was rigorous and life-transforming. My homework load was always intense.
Sure, there were always a lot of “strange” people running around there doing nutty things... but these were often the same people that made the learning opportunity there so rich.
I have lost touch with the school and how it fell apart financially... however, it was a great school.
Anyway, I am not really sure what you meant by “decline of academic integrity.” I am sure that this is not a phenomenon unique to Antioch.
In my experience, it’s the “shocking lifestyle” choices and appearances of many of the students there that immediately makes former generations uncomfortable... or leads them to believe that quality of education has gone down.
It is my understanding that the quality of education has gone down almost everywhere...I am not even sure how they measure this quality... not sure what data or rubric they use to determine quality...
In any case, I think it would be horrible if the school closed. It offered a truly unique educational experience that one would have trouble finding elsewhere. Despite what you have heard or read... there was always a significant faction of very serious students preparing for their futre.
I would like to see it managed better first.
Geoff, at 6:35 pm EDT on July 3, 2008
First, you actually make my argument better (to whomever I was arguing against about the American Dream where the mythology is that anyone can work her/his way up the ladder of success).
However, you are applying mathematics to a social issue. Math and the hard sciences deal with well-defined problems. They may grow to mind boggling complexity. But the whole point is to have the math community agree on the precise beginning, middle and solution to the problem.
While other disciplines, the social sciences, and humanities strive for optimum definition of a given problem, these cannot be well defined. These fields, alas, are about ill-defined problems.
Therefore, you may be trying to apply to my response an inappropriately well-defined problem where linguistic metaphors are concerned. The term “exception to the Rule” is a common locution with a linguistic range of connotations for which math, restricted by its very well-defined nature, cannot give an account.
This, by the way, is why students need training also in the humanities. Most of life is about grappling with ill-defined problems that don’t respond to pure logic.
James W Gettys, at 6:20 am EDT on July 5, 2008
I was hardly applying mathematics to a social issue ... not even close. I was merely using a mathematical example to explain a simple matter of vocabulary to you.
The solution – you may want to call it the resolution – to the “problem” is easily ascertained by defining “rule.” First, I assume we are both using “rule’ as a noun.
R1: Habit ... “it was his rule to knock on wood before making a wish.”
R2: Prescribed guide for conduct or action ... “as a rule U.S. Marines are forbidden to grow goatees.”
R3: Linguistics, a rule describing (or prescribing) practice ... “i before e except after c, except when said ‘ay’ as in ‘neighbor’ and ‘weigh.’”
R4: Principle (a basic generalization that is accepted as true and can be used as a basis for reasoning or conduct) ... “For any declarative sentences, p and q, if p is false, then ‘if p, then q’ is true.”
R5: The duration of a monarch’s or government’s power ... “It occurred during the rule of George III.”
R6: Probability: As a rule, NBA centers are taller than NBA guards.”
R7: Directions for a game or sport ... “She knows the rules of backgammon.”
R8: Principle: (a law concerning a natural phenomenon or the function of a complex system) ... “The direction of the magnetic field is easily found by using the right-hand rule.”
R9: Mathematics (a standard procedure for solving a class of mathematical problems) ... “If the last three digits of a number are divisible by 8, then the number is divisible by 8.”
R10 Half-baked conjecture ... “Taylor’s rule (law) describes how a central bank like the Federal Reserve should set short-term interest rates as economic conditions change to achieve both its short-run goal for stabilizing the economy and its long-run goal for inflation.”
Now, I assume neither of us is thinking of a rule in terms of R5.
If the “definition” of rule is along the lines of R2, R4, R7, R8, or R9, then my statement about there being no exception(s) to the rule is right on the button.
If the “definition” is along the lines of R1, R3, R6, or R10, then there are definitely exceptions to the rule ... but it really pains me to resist putting rule in quotation marks in this sentence.
And you see, I am obviously not applying mathematics to social issues. If anything, I am discussing logic and the careful use of words. Of course I feel compelled to repeat, “and that’s why we need better mathematics training for our elementary, middle, and secondary school teachers.”
Frizbane Manley, at 8:20 pm EDT on July 6, 2008
With apologies. With regret I left out a crucial sentence on the importance of math, especially a good beginning in elementary school. I was pretty good in arithmetic up until the 6th grade when “The New Math” experiment came in. My teacher did not understand, so couldn’t very well explain it to us kids.
I entered the 7th grade having effectively lost a year of math. Thereafter, I seem to lose all confidence in math.
Right you are.
James W. Gettys, at 9:10 am EDT on July 10, 2008
I had in fact expressed my own concern about the state of math and science education in another version of my original comment, “Frizbane and Rules.” The wrong version appeared.
Not surprisingly, we tend to privilege our own academic discourse or epistemology, or way of knowing over others’. But we need more than one. Consider Walt Whitman’s “When I Heard the Learn’d Astronomer,” the poet’s response (common among poets in those days) to the rise of Logical Positivism in the 19th c.:
When I heard the learn’d astronomer,/When the proofs, the figures, were ranged in columns before me,/When I was shown the charts and diagrams, to add, divide, and measure them,/ When I sitting heard the astronomer where he lectured with muchapplause in the lecture-room,/How soon unaccountable I became tired and sick,/Till rising and gliding out I wander’d off by myself,/In the mystical moist night air, and from time to time,/Look’d up in perfect silence at the stars.
James W. Gettys, at 11:40 am EDT on July 10, 2008
Do you detect a tone of impatience, contempt in the speaker or “When I Heard the Learn/d Astronomer? At the same time, the first seven sentences, ironically, are Whitmanesque free verse while the last line, the MYSTICAL one, is IAMBIC PENTAMETER, what the Neoclassicals called “The Numbers.” It gives the poem a yin-yang quality: It’s as though the speaker is intuiting, “The lecture is valuable and poetic (with elegant proofs—and applause), but my understanding lies within a different epistemology, a different way of knowing.”
So I was suggesting that students, likewise, should be made aware of the yin-yang within themselves and within discourses, indeed The Disciplines (as in textual criticism’s interdisciplinary use of science and technology to authenticate and date original manuscripts).
I say “interdisciplinary” in a looser (less well-defined) sense, too, because that takes us also into the realm of political power, as in new kinds of social hierarchies and what it’s like to live in their midst on a daily basis. Could it be that, for all Whitman’s praise in “Song of Myself” of the growing technology, there’s a part of him that associates science not just with technology but industrial exploitation, or some of the nastier, neurosis-producing effects of capitalist culture? What in the artist or his audience turns therefore toward the metaphysical for comfort?
Whereas once it was Nature that caused a life-and-death dread and physical discomfort,the rise of capitalism and its attendant technological roll backs of Nature for increasing life spans and creature comforts—for the middle class—had its effect on middle class Art. Did writers and artists begin to turn away from industrialization and back to Nature for spiritual comfort? That’s a complex question.
When I say I’m interested in The Economic Factor in studying literature, please tell Prof. Ethan that I’m not presuming to do economics. (He and I aren’t on speaking terms until he stops accusing me of teaching outside my training.) I’m thinking about the interactions that occur between economic, daily life and culture and cultural production.
Granted, trying to come up with “diagnoses” (literary interpretation, my own proper discipline, dagnab it) about such things means grappling with and debating ill-defined problems. That requires rigorous scholarship and careful writing by which we strive to define necessarily ill-defined problems as well as possible.
It’s a different epistemology than the kind that uses Newtonian physics to build bridges or perform genetic engineering. I regard it as useful, for one thing, in promoting a sense of history, lest we lapse into what Gore Vidal has called “The United States of Amnesia.”
I sometimes sense that those in the more “objective” disciplines nurse a secret, subjective prejudice: “English Studies is mush-minded.” (Sometimes it truly is, alas.) But that is itself an unscientific attitude; it fails to recognize the human mind’s capacity for multiple ways of knowing, which science itself has studied, i.e. psychology. Trouble is, other ways of knowing may seem to threaten the “boundaries” so cherished by disciplines that pose and solve well-defined problems. If so, that fear is itself a tacit, emotional reasoning. Again, hardly scientific.
And yet emotional reasoning can also be a sign of health in any individual or community. But conflicting emotions and logics within and without the individual renders most of life’s problems inevitably “ill-defined.” Enter literature.
James W. Gettys, at 12:50 pm EDT on July 10, 2008
Well-defined problem solving takes place in a (social-historical) sea of NECESSARILY ill-defined problems, as the psychology text Cognition, by Margaret W. Matlin, points out. And “Some psychologists have argued that all problems—even those that are typically considered well defined—are really somewhat ill defined. Simon (1973) suggests that the boundary between well-defined problems is quite vague and fluid—it cannot be formally described.”
The book gives examples. Could it be that math can actually train people in a kind of “blindness” to the ill-defined, fuzzy boundaries between things? (Look up, say, Deconstruction and Theoretical Math.) Could it “indoctrinate” by instilling math and hard science students with (dare I say it?) a kind of arrogance about their disciplines?
I’ve certainly witnessed plenty arrogance within in my own field! And I share your worry about the state of math, even as enrollments in the humanities also have plummeted in recent decades. (What ARE students studying nowadays?)
I wholly support your call: Teach students to strive for logic and linguistic accuracy: no less important in treating ill-defined problems.
Neither has science been immune to lapsing into false science (See Stephen J. Gould’s essay “Women’s Brains” as but a single example): nor immune to resisting paradigm shifts, as in Galen’s resistance to William Harvey on blood circulation). What we wouldn’t want is to produce engineers or physicists (or English majors with their own versions thereof) to think like Prof. Ethan (at least as I understood him) in our lengthy exchange in IHE July 1-7:
1) Math and science solve well-defined problems. 2) I am a mathematician/scientist. 3) Therefore, I am qualified to tell English professors how to teach students to grapple with literary problems that cannot be well defined (i.e. insisting that they leave off discussing the relevant—though messy—social-historical processes that generate literature in the first place.)I hope you see the non sequitur. You’re a mathematician. Explain it to him. According to that reasoning I must drop from my syllabus Whitman’s poem above (indeed every single text that appears in any anthology!) as well as the one below:
“It is difficult/ to get the news/ from poems, yet men die/ miserably every day/ for lack/ of what is found there.”
—William Carlos Williams “Asphodel, That Greeny Flower”
James W. Gettys, at 1:55 pm EDT on July 10, 2008
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Way Too Obvious ... Or Way Too Important?
Some reports are just soooo obvious they don’t deserve the space allotted.
On the other hand – and, Doug and Scott, I’m not challenging your choice of “feature” articles and essays today or any day – some potential articles are so much more important than what gets top billing in IHE, they deserve most of the space available.
We so infrequently see anything about higher education’s role in science and mathematics education in the U.S. on these pages, it’s very frustrating. Truth be known, I am much more concerned with the sorry state of American K-16 students’ knowledge of science and mathematics – including comparisons of our “successes” in those areas with the accomplishments of other “developed” nations – than I am concerned with another iteration of what’s going on at the “for-profits” ... or who’s who in diversity whatever this week ... or who’s suing whom over management of student loans ... or what idiotic university has decided to underwrite a Division I football program ... or hearing Professor X’s take on the intricacies of transfer credit.
Granted the National Council on Teacher Quality’s analysis of state guidelines for mathematics training for elementary school teachers belabors the well-studied obvious (it must have something to do with getting your drinking water from the Mississippi)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-...icle/2008/06/26/AR2008062600005.html
but it’s waaay more important than any of the other issues highlighted in IHE today.
In my opinion, InsideHigherEd should address its imbalanced reporting of issues of interest to the second-level administrators and staff amongst us in favor of issues of interest to those who are most important in higher education, the teachers, students, and research scholars. Let The Chronicle of Higher Education continue its emphasis on the former.
P.S. You’ve got to love the observation of Francis Fennell, past president of the National Council of Teachers of Mathematics, who defensively said, “the study’s authors should have surveyed teachers to get their views on how well prepared they were to teach math.”
As much as any other organization, NCTM is responsible for the sorry state of mathematics education in this country.
P.P.S. Why would we not see on IHE pages, for example, a prolonged discussion of something as incredibly important to higher education as the extent to which information availability and technology is spelling the demise of the scientific method?
That’s the sort of thing I hoped IHE would be about!
Frizbane Manley, at 11:00 am EDT on June 26, 2008