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June 6, 2007
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I wish more folks would wash before “prying.” And is prying what the “looker” room is for?
Beth, at 2:00 pm EDT on June 6, 2007
Ok Beth, the word is praying and I obviously missed that, thanks for recognizing.
No the looker room is not for praying (I assume) but it can be used for washing as many may wash in there currently. Since the issue is washing not a place to pray then suggesting washing in the looker room seems intuitive to me. (admittedly I don’t know if the university has said facilities) I believe I made that point but you seem to be indicating otherwise, please elaborate.
Additionally, I wonder do you have a firm position or are you hyperbolizing for the sake of straw-manning my position. I ask because if you do not have a solid position opining as you have may diminish my position for the sake of weakening the argument in general. Many others who are not willing to enter into dialogue and have rock solid positions against any tolerance at all may use your response to attack.
Walker, Analyst, at 3:50 pm EDT on June 6, 2007
“locker room”
Walker, Analyst, at 6:15 pm EDT on June 6, 2007
“The House of Representatives has passed a bill to create a national study abroad program, with the goal of significantly increasing the number and percentage of American college students who get some of their higher education in other countries.”
Looks as if the age-old governmental practice of finding a conspicuous lack of demand and then fulfilling it is alive and well.
Scrawed, at 6:15 pm EDT on June 6, 2007
Tha ACLU said it would not get involved in this case because the basins can be used by everyone. If a muslim get upset because I took water from the foot wash basins to give to my dog, would I be brought up on hate crimes like the middle schooler who put a ham sandwich on a table used by muslim student?
John, at 7:25 pm EDT on June 10, 2007
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No phobia just reality
With all respect due to my brothers across the world and in the United States this measure like a lot of the rhetoric is just wrong. Installing these basins is opening Pandora box unquestioned. If the school does not recognize a religious affiliation then making this exception for Muslims opens the door for; Hindus, Catholics, Buddhist, Seven day Adventist, Baptist, Jews, and ALL the other religious/faith groups who have a ritual that demand they show reverence or some other form of self-identified or prescribe ritualistic activity.
Given the facts as presented the basins are being added to new restrooms or restrooms under renovation, but in fact Muslims have been all over the world for many decades, and arguably at the university for some years so why now? As a man of GOD (faith) who identifies most often with Christians (religion) I ask my Muslim brothers are they taking advantage of the good will a lot of Statesmen are willing to extend given that some of us are not convinced that all Muslims are in the ”kill the Americans” camp. Arguably the US government has done some serious wrongs ALL around the world, much like ALL the other governments (historically) All around the world including Islamic governments or leaders.
Much like the immigration debate do we have laws or don’t we. The state university is sponsoring and/or imposing (imposition is achieved when there is no vote or attempt to gain consensus when dealing with secular issues) preferential treatment to one group of students based on their religious believes. Why? Is this not a violation of the separation of church and state. (not that I believe the two are mutually exclusive, but its our law and I see WHY the founders injected it) If the university had built a “place of worship” and included the basin as well as other special accommodation for other religions then there would be no issue, but this is a clear divergence of funds to assists one religious group.
I applaud our brothers for their religious commitment but washing feet or bodies before prying is an individual task and should be an individuals responsibility to accommodate the need. The university is not in the business of providing individuals special religious accommodation, the universities core competency is delivering education. For example if the university has a looker room on campus then this issue of basin is a clear issue of convenience.
Walker, Analyst, at 11:00 am EDT on June 6, 2007