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RateMyProfessors: Hidden Camera Edition

There’s a new reason to worry about students with cell phones in your classes. RateMyProfessors.com, the Web site whose popularity with students is matched by the grief it gives professors, has launched a new feature, encouraging students to shoot photographs of their faculty members and to post them along with the anonymous ratings of professors.

Think RateMyProfessors is going to ask your permission to post a photograph that you may not even know was taken (camera phones are being recommended to students)? Of course not, although RateMyProfessor asserts that it has other quality control mechanisms in place.

In the 48 hours since RateMyProfessors posted information about this new service on its site, it has received more than 1,200 photographs of professors and it is in the process of reviewing and uploading them.

“Camera phones in the classroom have a new meaning,” exulted Patrick Nagle, president of the company, in a press release.

In an interview, he said that site administrators would “look into” whether photographs submitted are in fact of the professors named. He said, for example, that the site would check the submitted pictures against photographs professors post of themselves online. He also said photographs that are clearly pornographic or that have been altered will not be posted. He did not indicate how the site would determine the veracity of photographs when a professor doesn’t have public online photographs, but Nagle said professors could inform the site of errors.

One of the criticisms of RateMyProfessors has been that there is no way to tell if a comment is from a student angry at failing a class, a student happy about an A in a gut course — or a professor’s mother.

Nagle said that the new photo feature was actually part of a plan to “give the professors a voice on our site.” Professors will now be offered the chance to sign up for an RSS feed so that they can be notified whenever one of their students (or someone claiming to be) posts something about them (photographs or comments). Professors who sign up for the service can then notify RateMyProfessors if they object to a photograph or want to replace it with a new photograph.

Such requests will “very likely” be honored, Nagle said. He declined to answer why they might not be honored.

Requests to correct inaccurate statements in student comments will probably not be honored, he said, “because students are protected by the First Amendment.”

As to how this all gives professors more voice, Nagle said that the site would soon be adding a blog feature for professors so they could regularly comment on comments posted about them or communicate with one another.

The new photo feature of RateMyProfessors comes at a time that many professors have already been expressing concern about having their lectures taped without their permission for posting (and mocking) on YouTube. At least one professor is already in danger of losing his job because of video posted of one of his lectures.

Will professors be happy to have their photos posted on the site? If general reaction to RateMyProfessors is any indication, that seems unlikely — and opposition won’t only come from those who are camera-shy or worried about how the site will rate their “hotness” (RateMyProfessors lets students award chili peppers to hot professors and maintains a list of the 50 hottest — a disproportionate number of whom teach at Canadian colleges and universities).

Hugo Schwyzer might seem like just the kind of professor who would like RateMyProfessors. A historian at Pasadena City College, he’s on the hottest list, has great ratings on RateMyProfessors, and has no hesitation about sharing life details or photographs — along with his philosophy and ruminations — online, at his blog.

Indeed Schwyzer said that he had high hopes for RateMyProfessors and thought it might provide a good source of anonymous feedback for him so he could improve his teaching. But he said that by asking students to send in photographs of professors, without a system to check first on whether the photos were taken with permission, it was clear that “the primary function is to humiliate.”

Schwyzer said he’s seen “the speciousness of the whole system” in recent weeks. He offended some men’s rights activists on his blog, and they responded by posting numerous critical comments on RateMyProfessors to bring down his scores. While some of those comments have been removed, Schwyzer said he witnessed “a remarkably detailed discussion of my appearance.”

To the extent RateMyProfessors could have served a valuable purpose, he said, it would have been about teaching and classroom performance. The non-scientific approach to those subjects and the increasing emphasis on physical appearance take away that potential, he added. By going with the photo feature, Schwyzer said, RateMyProfessors “loses whatever shreds of legitimacy it had.”

Scott Jaschik

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Accountabliity is a two way street. If a student had to own his/her comments by name we would see useful information here. Permission to bash professors without any accountability makes anything they say suspect. Would they be feeling the same if I, as a professor, posted my OPINION of my students and their performance without saying who I am?

lori, at 3:50 pm EST on February 14, 2008

Another terrific piece by Scott. Excellent and objective.

Spiros Darlotts, at 8:10 am EST on November 2, 2006

What are they thinking?

This will be just another reason no to allow cell phones in classrooms. Rightly so as well.

For non traditional students e.g. single parents this is a major issue because babysitters, daycares, and even schools have to be able to get in touch with parents in emergencies.

First student cheating with cell phones, cell phone cameras being used inappropriately in bathrooms, etc. and now this. What will be next?

Another Reason, at 8:50 am EST on November 2, 2006

The result of ignoring customer

A lot of institutions conducts evaluations on instructors. But very few of them make it public information. The success of these kind of rate-my-professor sites are count on the failures of institution’s responses to their customer.

Part of my view of the future learning includes pre-made lecture material, a group of tutors/advisors that provides assistant. Students study by themselves and contact assistants when needed. In this settings, the feedback of students is very important. The feedbacks don’t have to be black and white. The feedback can actually reflect an assistant’s personal styles and can be particular helpful to certain kinds of students. Institutions and instructors shouldn’t see the feedback as a negative things.

With diverse learning behaviors, we need diverse teaching styles.

Duncan, at 9:00 am EST on November 2, 2006

I once thought RMP might be a useful tool, too; but it has clearly devolved to the lowest common denominator in which younger & whiter teachers are rated higher. If you are interested in improving teaching, RMP is like trying to sew a hem with a baseball bat.

So I’ll be putting a note on my syllabus starting next semester saying that phones & cameras cannot be used or even visible in class. Maybe I’ll add that using such a device will count as an unexcused absence, if I can identify the user.

Question: Don’t you have to get a release to publish a photo of someone when that photo is not taken in a public place? Is the classroom a public place? That is, can anyone just walk in? Would the rules be different for private & public institutions?

Joseph Duemer, Professor at Clarkson University, at 9:36 am EST on November 2, 2006

Surprise! You’re TEACHING the lowest common denominator.

...And they’re more common than you think.

And they like young teachers— more to the point, they connect better with young teachers and there are so few of them that of course they’ll be rated higher.

Banning cell phones in class is something faculty should have figured out a long time ago. And if you think this will prevent RMP posts, that’s even crazier. I can’t believe it took RMP this long to incorporate photos. Now we’re at the mercy of the college’s admin.

d, at 11:20 am EST on November 2, 2006

customer schmustomer

It’s funny, but not in a laughable way, that someone would think we should give the customers what they want while espousing different so-called learning styles/behaviors. Maybe I’m wrong, but the whole so-called learning styles thing seems to be an off-shoot of constructivist pedagogies, where students will be construcing knowledge as they work together. However, the customer notion seems to be a product of transactionalist pedagogies, me as the teacher giving the student information based on my expertise. Is this an instance of ignorance or merely trying to have it both ways?

As for RMP, my favorite entry, not at all flattering to me, unless you know the backstory, was a student complaining about how boring the reading was, how confusing he found it, so he dropped the class. The reading? Tocqueville’s Democracy in America. This speaks more to the lack of preparation as a reader than anything else. More and more, if RMP were complete, it would show just how stupid some of thier customers are and how inane the so-called (lots of so-calleds in here, eh?) service is. The only time I look at it is when my wife, who is killing time, decides to see what students have to say about me. RMP is a joke and should be treated as such by anyone with half a brain.

bradley bleck, instructor at Spokane Falls CC, at 12:11 pm EST on November 2, 2006

Customers

I don’t think of my students as customers. The situation is completely different. And, Duncan, as for feedback, I’m all for it. When bankers & bakers & pharmacists start seeking feedback & publishing it in an objective way, then I’ll put my student evaluations up for public examination. If people with actual customers don’t seek such feedback, don’t ask me to do so.

As for alternative, asynchronous models of delivering information to students, I’m all for it. In fact, I do it now within the limits of my institution’s technical capabilities. I hope to offer a class entirely online in the near future.

D, I can’t tell whether you’re calling me stupid, or my students. I don’t think that either is true.

Joseph Duemer, Professor at Clarkson University, at 1:30 pm EST on November 2, 2006

class action suit, anyone?

Do professors have any right whatsoever to privacy? What would college legal departments say if professors started posting photos of students with subjective comments about their performance?

I fould ratemyprofessor.com irritating before, but this is going too far. If a student publishes a photo of me or a youtube video, I will take legal action.

I don’t see it as being too far off that RMP will be seeing some class action suits from faculty.

incensed, at 2:00 pm EST on November 2, 2006

I’m not calling anyone stupid, but naive seems to be a fitting word for both sides of the aisle.

And speaking of the aisle, I’ll repeat a notion that nobody’s picking up on: RMP is only as effective as the admin. Who is the admin? Each college or university has a student admin who has to approve every comment and post. If that student was remotely responsible, RMP could become legit. And many schools DON’T have admins yet, so everything posted doesn’t get screened. In fact, since RMP doesn’t even require proof that you’re a student, even a Professor could become an admin- or a burned former student could stay an admin long after they’ve left.

d

d, at 4:01 pm EST on November 2, 2006

That’s a really good question—what WOULD happen if profs starting doing the same, i.e., posting pics of students with their names, and then adding comments. Why is that apparently wrong, but RMP.com is okay?

My department certainly has students that profs would like to comment on in public, in both positive and negative terms.

willie mink, at 4:01 pm EST on November 2, 2006

Well. Wave is wave.

For better or worse, it will be in institution’s benifit to host feedbck site. At least, you are more likely to see positive feedback or at least even the playing fields — One student got one chance to vote — it’s not like one people can change the rating by voting multiple times.

Please also realize that people think about posting something like that when they are failed, frustrated ... etc. A normal students probably don’t even bother to check those sites. Even without the picture, the word could have bad effect. At this point, we can only hope students are smart enough to ignore what was posted on the RMP — I suppose Clarkson students are good enough. But how about institutions with not so good students?

Duncan, at 4:45 pm EST on November 2, 2006

I just wanted to say that most of you sound like a bunch of babies. Quit whining and get over it! I’m a senior and I’ve been using RMP for a long time to figure out what teachers to take and it’s rarely been incorrect. Just because students are often sarcastic in their comments doesn’t mean that the information they provide is innacurate; there’s clearly a difference. And anyway, if you don’t like RMP, at least take the attitude of the guy that said it’s a joke and nothing more, and don’t act like it’s some big serious problem that needs to be taken care of. I don’t really care if you don’t like it; I just can’t stand when people go all crazy over something that really has little consequence after all is said and done. So chill out! And if students are constantly saying “Bring a pillow” to your class, you might want to at least think about the possibility that it might be true!

Ewan, How old are we?, at 7:05 pm EST on November 2, 2006

Turnabout?

So, Ewan, I agree that it’s not a big deal, but I have two questions:

1. Would you mind if a professor posted a note about you, commenting on your performance, perhaps with a picture & a comment about whether you are hot or not? (Don’t worry, there’s a federal law against such things. I can’t even put a box of graded papers outside my door for students to pick up because someone might see someone else’s grade, which is a violation of privacy.)

2. You say you have been using RMP to pick your classes & that you have found it accurate. But accurate about what? Has it occurred to you that you may have been choosing courses / profs in such a way that you are getting a worse education than if you used, say, the course catalog? Easy courses taught by “hot” profs might, just might, add up to an inferior education & an inferior education might, just might, add up to you coming across like a poorly educated mediocrity in a job interview. I’m just sayin’. . .

Obviously, we disagree, but I really hope you check back because I’d really like to hear your answers to my questions.

Joseph Duemer, Professor at Clarkson, at 9:00 pm EST on November 2, 2006

I was always under the impression that RMP was nothing more than a joke. And basing academic decisions on anonymous postings is like buying into stock that has been spammed to your email account or fax machine—not a wise, informed investment.

There is something to be said for students wanting to choose professors who have positive “student press.” However, the range of student preferences and subjectivity of feedback make even official evaluation results questionable; as a student, I loved some courses taught by professors who held menacing or hum-drum reputations. As the saying goes, there really is no accounting for taste, and I think ignoring (or laughing about) RMP is the best remedy here. The more attention, negative or otherwise, the site receives from academia, the more popular it will grow with some students.

kgotthardt, at 5:55 am EST on November 3, 2006

ok kids, recess is over.

RMP is the best thing that ever happened to my student life. I was working fulltime as I went to school , and so I didn’t have the time to mix with other students to find out who the useful professors were. RMP pointed me out to the right profs and hence I did not regret any of my classes.Unlike a few students(mostly new, hadn’t learned the ropes yet or couldn’t get into the right profs’ classes)who ran into the various useless profs that exist,that inevitably scarred them for life. I would want my children to take a look at RMP because for one, it has warned on the various sexual perverts that are teaching in lecture halls, two, it minimizes waste of money on lazy profs who are not worth a dime and three,it makes them look forward to classes with high ratings,that they fought hard to get into (those two go hand in hand.). Never has freedom of information been more useful to a student.It is not true that only white and younger profs get more ratings. I mean ,it is obvious.That comment above is being desperately used to inspire dislike for RMP in a slow-minded racially prejudiced way. So fug off , all of ya, RMP lives on.

issa, at 5:55 am EST on November 3, 2006

Issa

Honestly, I could not have written anything that reflected worse on RMP than Issa’s semi-literate defense of it above.

Joseph Duemer, Professor at Clarkson, at 7:00 am EST on November 3, 2006

Privacy As we Knew It

This is a fascinating article. The implications of this go beyond the classroom. If a student can take pictures of a professor in a classroom, why not a patient taking pictures of their doctor or mental health professional in their office? So we create a policy that says no cell phones in the classroom. But if it is done unobtrusively so as no one will notice how can such a policy be enforced? Should it be enforced? The Technology is such that a camera can be the size of an earring or neck tie pin.

The other question of course is who has the right to privacy? We can argue that a student or a patient has certain rights to privacy and confidentiality etc. But they also have the right to waive confidentiality. However do those same rights apply equally to a teacher or a health care professional if the student or patient chooses to waive their right to privacy? These are interesting questions that I have bee studding. I suspect that in the 21st century privacy as we knew it is no more and it will need to be redefined.

John Riolo, at 7:15 am EST on November 3, 2006

RMP and photos

I have to agree with the professors, pictures taken with camera phone and posted online is a violation of their privacy. I find it distressing that the value of privacy in our society is steadily declining. In coming years people will be wearing a video phone on their ear that will record everything they see. Security will be their excuse to claim it as their right. As for RMP I find it useful to select professors with good temperaments. I do not pay attention to comments about how hard or easy their class was. As a 4.0 student I have never encountered a difficult subject, only difficult personalities.

Elessar, Student, at 11:46 am EST on November 3, 2006

Rate My Professor-Like Any Other Rating of Human Beings

I AM THANKFUL for Rate My Professor for my this generation of adult “kids,” their friends, family, and adult learners. If only I had that tool when I was pursing all my education! We use to rely on our friends who took a class or professor to not ruin our GPA’s and the opportunity NOT to lose our merit based scholarships. During the “draft,” if a male didn’t make it, he really was on his way to Viet Nam! Professors have the power of the pen to destroy anyone’s grade and GPA and scholarships and our resumes and applications for jobs! I was a woman considered a minority (ha! ha!) not a caucasian white human being, but I had no breaks. I had to study 3 times as hard as my much younger counterparts beside me despite my IQ.

With tenure out there, a non-caring, lazy, difficult to talk to, not having the time of day for students instructor could get away with what he/she wanted. They still do today! I was shocked to have professors use the “F” word so much! You bet back then I took tape recorders as huge as a boom box as they weren’t much smaller or affordable to buy something else. I NEVER asked for permission as I was a taxpayer in a public institution with my civil and constitutional rights! All my profesors who loved teaching and success of their students welcomed it. As a married woman, I needed all the assistance I could get. As a result I graduated from 1 of 4 campuses....2nd in my huge graduating class as an adult learner with students 10 years younger than I! Had I received 1/2 point higher, I would have been valedictorian!

If a professor has nothing to hide, then why ban cameras or cell phones or taping devices. We have answering machines on our home phones to keep a copy for our protection should someone deny calling us, such as a telemarketer or sales call on the do not call list or after a certain hour.

I WELCOME professors adding a blog or perhaps defending their ratings. Make sure we all can see it. It’s all about free speech for everybody.

In the world we live in today, we have to do so much more to get on an airplane, submit drivers licenses for certain doctor prescriptions and sign for them, wear a name tag with picture for our jobs, perhaps before entering our work site placing our finger in a machine or our iris scanned, fill out all sorts of paper work for a mortgage or to obtain a job including our credit report. Try to switch to a less expensive car insurance, and one will find out by monitoring one’s credit report one was checked up on through the 3 major credit agencies. Every time a check is made on those credit records, the FICO Score goes down! No one can rent a home or an apartment as a first or secondary residence without a credit check and references who could blackball us or rent a car without showing proof of who we are, our proof of automobile insurance, and a picture id.

We have unauthorized undocumented workers from other countries who purposely falsify paperwork, but can any of us here do that morally or lawfully without being incarcerated?!

My husband had taught years on the high school level in a poor inner city school district we choose to live in with students making bomb threats to our home or our car, saying they took out life insurance policies to collect the insurance, and acted up in class in front of the principal or department head or superintendent for the purpose of being white while teaching in a black school district wanting my husband out of there for stifling their fun and not wanting to learn; we had our children and friends children and family members in the inner city schools when we could have chose the white school with everything a parent could want for their children’s education close by. One of our children had death threats and set-ups to be in in-school suspension with kids who were friends as a set-up as their word meant more than 1 person’a word and character without our knowledge! One lost the opportunity to continue to be a patrol person for lies of the kids who didn’t have experience or ineraction with a caucasian community. We chose the African-American school and community to learn about others and to be tolerant and make friends and worship with them. They learned we weren’t the boogey man out to get them or take anything away from them.

WE DON’T use excuses or blame others if we don’t come up to the standards or non-standards of the students one is responsible for. Be a teacher in a public school with observations unannounced and work in non-union states with much less income and see where YOU could end up! Or one can make lemons into lemonade. Many of us parents have joined in on myspace.com with our own sites not to just monitor those we love and care about but to make our views known. Profesors, send us to your myspace so we may know about you more and choose courses wisely by what you say against what students say. We’ll know if the student (s) rated you poorly if they were lazy, wanted to do it for a prank, had their own grudge to grind, or were unfair towards you. We parents and previous or current adult learners will be able to know for ourselves who is telling the truth and who is not. If a teacher was in a public school below the 12th grade level, the school and the teachers are rated. If the school receives 2-3 below acceptable levels, the state takes over and fires everyone.

For the instructor who said he/she will ban cell phones and digital recorders...go right ahead and try. You can be sure we mothers and fathers in the educational field will or not will be out there outside your classroom with the media as we did in the 60’s-70’s marching with our signs. We will make sure you have less of our kids and family’s kids and adult students and our neighbors take your class or classes. These cell phones are a life line for our families! They are not used in OUR home for chatting. We could care less about your picture or no picture. We want to just know YOU and who you are and your teaching style and if you feel any accountability to we the taxpayer paying your income and benefits.

My husband is rated at the university never knowing who says what. Sure, they could say something about his looks, his speech, his demeanor, that he is not skinny, and just plain hate him, not like his facial features, or some other excuse. But in the end, so MANY have come back later in high school and college to thank him which were the worst of the worst troublemaking students; they came back to be speakers for him and the school with maturity. He took the high road and taught them and called them his “kids” to the point of neglecting those of us in his own home, but we joked and understood his passion to teach! :0)

If YOU really are into teaching and in the classroom to pass your skills and education down to YOUR students, don’t mind the low pay compared to what you can make in industry, really want your younger and adult learners to learn the subject to move on instead of move out to make your class load easier, and not make your tests departmental to fail out the ones you don’t want for smaller classes for more money and less work, then you need to change professions. Our tax dollars pay for you to be there!

We’ve had terrorist professors with connections with terrorist groups receiving monetary funds into their organizations from them, sex predators in the educational domain, and crooked fund stealing scandals in higher ed. If you’re worried about your picture and info on you, maybe you’d be much more cooperative to not hide yourself. Be pro-active by being out in the open about yourself and your teaching style. As for your threats denying cell phones that take pictures in the classroom, anyone can take a picture of any of we educators out in the street much less stressful than the papparazi coming after us or the media camping outside our homes.

I am fed up with one of my children’s colleges who is very gifted academically and gifted musically and a very honorable person so many like. My word of mouth and others passes around to let others know what is going on. A student can’t be late 1 minute to class for being in traffic, car break down, in traffic where an accident has happened, etc. unless they are hospitalized for something deathly, or they are listed as absent being 1 minute late! Any 3 absencences is a lower grade or a failing grade. When those of us went to our colleges, the professors either understand and assisted, or they could care less if we ever came to class (I never missed a day nor my husband as adult learners who worked, but if extremely ill and ordered by the doctor for bed rest, the one who was well or less ill went to the other’s college to tape record the class to not miss out on our education.) As long as all students did their assignments and took their own tests with picture id, the professors didn’t take roll. Students where our one adult child attends and other schools make lower grades the 1st 2 tests to make them drop out as they are what the student tapes or writes down the notes of the professor for that class can be found and on-line; unfortunately, all tests except a handful of instructors of many give departmental tests of the professors one did not have! Students are told as the class thins down, “by the way, your last set of tests are much easier” with the professor reviewing in class (a rare happenening these days) and are geared towards the departmental tests of everyone who contributed!

We pay a lot to send our young men and women to college. Some students sacrifice a lot having kids as single mothers/fathers trying to move out of the poverty level, taking care of kids, working full time, school, kids activities, and everything else placed upon 1 parent. There are mothers/fathers out there, and there are mothers/fathers whose spouse has left them, has passed away, is totally disabled not being able to contribute to the household, left because one did not want to be a mother/father, left because kids have interfered with their lifestyle, etc. with no outside income or child support or family support physically or monetarily, not taking governemnt assistance. And they are not to have cell phones for emergencies or to record their class or rate a professor who maybe doesn’t care or perhaps with an attitude? I don’t think so.

Dee Williams, Author, Educator, at 11:50 am EST on November 3, 2006

Although I have only recently discovered RMP, I have found that most of the comments, concerning my past and present professors, are quite true. It is a fact that the poorer students complain that some professors are “boring” or “difficult, but that is to be expected. I have also noticed that for about every ten “complaints” there is usually one very telling comment that describes the Professor as “difficult but very good at what he does.” This is usually accompanied with the helpful remark encouraging one to work hard and learn the material. It is these comments I look for. I know that the author of this comment is a hardworking student like myself who doesn’t back down from work. It is because of these comments that I support RMP. A course syllabus won’t tell me whether or not I will actually learn from the professor and I have been unfortunate enough to been in a class room with one of those poor educators.Concerning the camera phones, I believe that comments are one thing but it is too easy to discredit someone with a photo. A picture is worth a thousand words. If a kid finds one picture that makes his professor resemble a gargoyle, even if that teacher is a great educator and wonderful person, I guarantee it will scare away the masses.

Amanda, at 7:45 pm EST on November 3, 2006

Customer Vs Client

Last year, one very bright but intense student asked me to stop teaching trivial things that he can read right out of the textbook (unfortunately, he was sitting in front of me after the final exam, probably, b/c I had put too many Qs about simple/trivial stuff that he didn’t bother to study). Anyway, he told me that he was my paying customer and I must respond to his demands. My reponse was: 1) You are one of the smartest course ‘participants’ in the room and not everyone can grasp all concepts as easily as you can. You can come to my office to discuss intricate concepts as well as take a challenging topic for the course project, which would increase your satisfaction from the course.2) I would suggest that you consider yourself as our paying ‘clients’ and not customers. If you consider yourself as a client and us as consultants then a significant portion of responsibility for the success of our client-consultant relationship will be yours. However, if you keep considering yourself as our ‘customers’ then the success, or otherwise, of this enterprise would entirely depend on us and you might not like us to play such an overwhelming role in your career.

Anyway, most comments posted on RMP are of little use. Our students are very smart and bright. They may help us in improving efficacy of our teaching and mentoring by suggesting some actionable ideas. Simply saying “I hate/love this prof” is of little use (btw, I do not consider a comment like this as actionable: “Prof, I feel that I knew all the material you asked in the exam but there was not enought time to answer those. Although half of the class left the exam hall before the exam end time, I feel you will be grading my ability to write the exam in limited time and not my knowledge of the subject and it’s unfair").

In short, I feel the idea of seeing students as ‘paying customers’ is only a recipe for disaster. Unfortunately, I found many comments here supporting this idea.

Dr. Abdul-Rahim Ahmad, Wilfrid Laurier University, Waterloo, Canada, at 5:26 am EST on November 4, 2006

Need an easy A? Lots of extra credit? Comparison shop at RMP!

I looked at the ratings for several of my professors on RMP and did NOT find them to be accurate. Surprised by their low ratings, I read through many of the comments for other professors as well, and I have to admit that if I ever want to invest my money in a class where I: 1. don’t have to work, and 2. have plenty of opportunities for extra credit to inflate my grade,then RMP will be my reference of choice!

But so long as I can think and type more than RMP’s requisite 1 1 1 1 ... I’ll stick to investing in an education where I’m expected to take some ownership and accountability for my learning.

I can’t think of any employer — except the entertainment industry — that would take no action if their employees were publicly famed or defamed enmasse by name by anonymous accusers. RMP is just a symptom of an increasingly dysfunctional education system in America. It’s been selling students short for years and now it’s doing the same for teachers.

There is something fundamentally unAmerican about not being able to face your accuser.

Rosie, at 5:26 am EST on November 4, 2006

Customers Vs. Clients

Dr. Abdul-Rahim Ahmad, I appreciated your insight on the value of considering the student-teacher relationship as client to consultant. A customer generally has a short-term relationship with the seller and a limited warranty. Is this what students REALLY want to be, or have they been sold this identification so schools have less accountability? A client, on the other hand, holds a stronger, more meaningful and lasting relationship. Clients can return again and again for advice, often at reduced or no charge depending on the strength of the relationship. The client model humanizes education, and it does not hold the stigma of the “customer” label, one that seems to have originated in the for-profit sector. A school can be for-profit and serve clients effectively. A non-profit or public college can do the same. The term levels the marketing field, I think.

How does this relate to RMP? Students think that by reviewing RMP they are “shopping” for professors. They do this if they view themselves as “customers.” If students viewed themselves as clients, they would NOT be using RMP. Would you, for example, look for a personal coach this way? How about an accountant for your small business? How about a therapist? Most people would say, “No!” Rather, they would search official records and professional sites. Perhaps that is what is really needed: a mass professional site for workers in higher education where instructors can post a curriculum vitae, feedback from students, courses taught, institutions taught at, and special interests. Then, let the students catalog shop. At least there would be some legitimacy there.

kgotthardt, at 11:00 am EST on November 4, 2006

finally

Finally, the public will see that professors truly add little to no value to learning. There is no reason a person can’t just go to a library and read some books and get the same outcomes. If professors did add value, then why are they so resistant to do assessment? If professors did add value to learning, why, when administrators ask them, are they so reluctant to provide evidence their students are learning anything? If professors truly cared about learning, why do tenured instructors never do evaluations and are more concerned about research than students? Everyone knows the answer — they’re spoiled and don’t want to think about anything outside their discipline and, as Drucker so eloquently said, “thinking is hard.”

In terms of the privacy angle, when my tax dollars support your 35-hour work week and 9 1/2 month contract, I want to know that learning is actually happening. If you have assessment, evaluation of learning, or other evidence (quantitative or qualitative...just show something!), then fine. But a vast majority of professors don’t and are outright hostile to learning, so video is an appropriate and reasonable response.

PS, at 11:50 am EST on November 4, 2006

Society fails to reinforce expectations for education

Students pay just one third the cost of their tuition at our local community college. Taxpayers fund the rest. The ratios may vary for four year universities and between states, but the bottom line is that society bears the burden of the monetary expense for educating its citizens, as it should. Unfortunately, society does not follow through with its responsibility to objectively hold the education system accountable.

Rosie, at 4:55 pm EST on November 4, 2006

Dear kgotthardt,

Thanks for several valuable insights to the client-consultant enterprise model. Your post really broadened my horizon. (I also like Rosie’s point — students pay only a part of their educational expenses and the rest is taxpayers’ money. If we just try to satisfy students then we will be like corrupt or ill-skilled public services workers who send tax money down the drain).

I agree that RMP type of site, where students do ‘grading’, is of little use to both students and teachers. However, the idea of having a professional site for instructors is very useful (it may become even more useful when used by students in conjunction of RMP). Students may come to know the professor’s pedagogical philosophy(ies) and teaching style from professor’s perspective and may try to find a better maatch b/w their learning styles and professor’s teaching styles. Nevertheless, we should not expect it to be a quick fix to what pitfalls RMP creates. We may only try to partially remove/fill those pitfalls.

Abdul-Rahim Ahmad, Wilfrid Laurier University, Waterloo, Canada, at 9:25 pm EST on November 4, 2006

I find it curious and disturbing that these demands are being made for public accountability for professors. Those outside academia, including students, are rarely aware of what our job actually entails, and are therefore not qualified to asses our work, which includes many facets OUTSIDE the classroom. Perhaps energies would be better focused on demanding accoutability from the people running the country instead.

AS, at 12:35 pm EST on November 5, 2006

More professor hypocrisy?

Why is it that most professors have no problem using Turnitin.com to embarrass students, render students “guilty until proven innocent,” violate students’ civil rights, and usurp students’ control over their own intellectual property, but the same professors get all bent out of shape when students turn the tables ever so slightly? If you want to learn about the REAL injustice in academia, read this article:

http://www.essayfraud.org/turnitin_john_barrie.html

Eric, at 5:00 am EST on November 6, 2006

I can understand the privacy concerns, but what about the positive side of having pictures of professors? Students tend to think of their professors as grading machines who live at the school. A photo could discredit a slew of bad ratings. After all, how likely are you to believe the happy, smiling person in the photo is mean and unfriendly? A professor with a goofy photo, one that shows them as a human being who is interesting and fun to be around, is likely to be wildly popular come registration.

Janet, at 1:15 pm EST on November 6, 2006

I first became aware of RMP after a particularly successful semester during which I received very high student ratings on the official, required, evaluations that are conducted every semester at my university. In the very next semester, a student proclaimed loudly at the beginning of class that she was afraid of me because of what she had read on RMP and encouraged the other students to check the site. I checked the site as well and was astounded at the negative ratings that I had received and at how different these were from the ratings obtained from students who had attended class to complete the official evaluations (a 90% response rate). This suggests that the negative ratings could be accounted for by that 10% of the class that wasn’t in attendance when the official university evaluations were completed. In fact, upon checking, it was discovered that the same individual had contributed to the site multiple times.

What was the effect of these ratings? Well, those students who had room in their schedules for a different class missed a professor that 90% of students find engaging and helpful. And those students who read the ratings but had to take the class? Well, I had a small group of hecklers that semester that disrupted the learning of the other students. See, the hecklers developed an expectation based on the skewed RMP ratings and then acted on that expectation and, as a consequence, made the course less enjoyable for all of us.

What motivates students to submit ratings to RMP? Judging from the ratings at my university it is having a professor that is “hot” or that doesn’t require any reading of the material that motivates a positive rating. From my personal experience it is a student who feels entitled to special privileges (e.g., not taking exams with the rest of the class, getting extra credit beyond what is offered on the syllabus, or not having to read the textbook) that is motivated to submit a negative rating.

This last point requires elaboration. There is a documented tendency in the present generation of college students toward “entitlement.” This is a societal phenomenon fueled by efforts in the K-12 system to build students’ self-esteem at all costs. An unfortunate and unintended consequence of this is that students are devastated when at last they are held accountable for their own learning. They discover that being smart is something that requires very hard work and discipline and that the grade of A means mastery of the material rather than attendance at most of the classes.

An understandable reaction is to blame the professor. Under the guise of “holding the professor accountable” the student holds himself unaccountable for his own learning at a significant cost to his own intellectual growth.

Finally, to correct a few errors of fact: 1.) Professors typically have work weeks of about 70 hours and are not paid particularly well. We often work unpaid over the summers to catch up on our research. 2.) We must do research in order to maintain our positions. At many institutions, devoting ourselves to teaching is not an option. Moreover, our research helps to insure that we are current in the field and that students are learning the most up-to-date material.3.) When we submit student material to TurnItIn, we do so to protect the intellectual work of others and to insure that our students respect intellectual property. Representing someone else’s work as your own is stealing. I suppose that it may be humiliating to be caught stealing but that is hardly the fault of your professor.

Here’s a suggestion: Spend less time trying to snipe your professors on RMP and more time trying, really trying, to master the material in your classes. Ask questions. Meet with your professors during office hours. Submit original work in your classes and try to build your thinking and writing skills. Make yourself accountable and this could be the best experience of your life.

MF, The Accountability Loophole at San Diego State University, at 1:20 pm EST on November 6, 2006

Calm down profs!

RMP is a great tool for students! I think it’s totally fair that we know what we’re getting into before signing up for a class or professor that we totally wouldn’t get along with. RMP has made me choose certain professors while avoiding others; and I think I made the right choice each time!

When it comes down to it, if your RMP score is low and you’re the only prof teaching the class that semester, we’re going to suck it up and take your boring class anyway.

As far as the pictures go- suck it up and stop doing those dresses from 1982!

Miranda, Charlotte, at 10:05 pm EST on November 6, 2006

What does what I look like have to do with good teaching? Granted I think it’s important to dress professionally as I believe we are role models for our students and that my wearing business dress shows respect. But I don’t see the need to put my photo on this website and taking my picture without permission to do so is certainly disrespectful—guess I will have to put one more thing on my syllabus...

Delaney Kirk, Dr., at 4:31 pm EST on November 7, 2006

new law

Apparently many are not aware of a new law passed this past January, to protect women in particular, but it sets up severe penalties for sending anonymous or false e-mails that intimidate, threatening, defame, or even annoy anyone. Professors, I fought this fight back in 1999 and lost, but now you can fight and win! Bringsuits now.

Dan, at 4:31 pm EST on November 7, 2006

Dan, what law are you referring to? Also what’s the procedure for filing lawsuits?I think it should be unlawful for someone to take your picture without your permission and then publish it on a website.

Jess, at 3:55 pm EST on November 8, 2006

Sometimes it pays to listen to Chicken Little

The Education System is failing to teach students the type of conflict resolution most employers expect on the job. At the very least, a graduate should learn how to resolve conflict with their supervisor and peers in a professional manner and high reliability industries are expecting far more. In the workplace, many of these students will be expected to speak up BEFORE they have a problem and work with others to identify contributing factors, root causes, and develop an action plan.

Some might find comfort in the belief that students using ratemyprofessor.com to anonymously vent and shop for easy classes are probably not going to be chosen for a position where a high degree of accountability is required. In many cases, these students probably won’t even graduate, but it only stands to reason that a truely able student that wants a degree with as little work as possible are enabled by RMP, in a very organized and convenient fashion, to achieve that indolent goal. At some point, able students that studied hard to earn the same degree with a lower GPA are going to witness these swindlers getting the competitive edge when they first enter the workforce.

I may sound like chicken little, but as somebody who worked in a high reliability industry for 10+ years, I learned that correcting a people-problem is never easy, but if you let it escalate to the point of harm, it can seem almost insurmountable. Now that I’m working in higher education, I’m witnessing young students, who are most in need of guidance, turning to RMP for counsel. As a beginning teacher (2 months in PUBLIC education), I’m frustrated that I have students that won’t work with me to resolve the problems they have with me. As a parent, I’m worried about trusting my teens in the hands of an education system that enables RMP by default. As a taxpayer footing the bill for two thirds the cost of tuition, I’m angry the education system I’m funding isn’t teaching these young citizens how to resolve conflict and set productive goals. As an American, I’m frightened that we have so many young citizens unable to apply the basic principles behind the first and sixth ammendments of the United States Consitution to their daily life, unless forced to do so by law.

I emailed my concerns to the State Board of Education and one of the many universities that I fund as a taxpayer, but so far neither has responded. I had the comments about me on RMP reviewed for “libelous or erroneous” content, according to the procedure outline on their website. RMP assumed the responsibility of evaluating the facts and credibility of the witness making accusations against me by deligating the review to one of their “screeners". After RMP’s screener reviewed the comments for “libelous or erroneous” content, RMP turned their red flag of potential libel/error into their green check of acceptance, without even contacting me. Of course, I took snapshots as I went through the entire process so I have documentation of the libelous comments bearing the RMP green flag of acceptance.

Now I have to figure out how to regain my joy of teaching, while knowing there are students in my class that will not work with me to resolve problems in a productive manner, and have no compunction over internationally publishing their scathing remarks...or perhaps a vignette highlighting my withering mojo...

Rosie, Science Instructor at Public College, at 3:56 pm EST on November 8, 2006

Rate-my-Students dot com

Imagine if you will the out rage and the law suits that would be generated from a web site that allows professors to rate the student! Sounds kinda good! A professor could look at his or her roster at the beginning of a semester and tell if the student is a serious student, a cheater, or someone who will simply complain that he/she “just doesn’t get it!” all semester without ever coming to an office hour. In fact, we could even write about how hot our students are; even discuss which ones wear the shortest skirts. Wow! We could even take secret pictures of them while they are taking tests and post them on-line! I mean, it doesn’t hurt anyone, right?

Tim, at 8:20 pm EST on November 8, 2006

Tim this site might be of interest to you. http://rateyourstudents.blogspot.com/

Jess, at 6:20 am EST on November 9, 2006

In the past, the type of unsubstantiated public defamation that this site engenders would be called libel. RateMyProfessors.com has clearly crossed the line with this hidden camera gimmick; already, in a legal sense, they are obviously quite guilty of harboring libelous content, as comments posted cannot be justified, and any professor whose reputation is defamed could suffer career-wise for the actions of a revengeful or otherwise unsubstantiated statement from an unidentified “student". I think it would be fantastic if the AAUP or another higher education association would mount a class-action lawsuit against RateMyProfessors.com ASAP. Putting RateMyProfessors.com out of business should be the business of every professional and social society in higher education!!

Sue RateMyProfessors, at 6:35 am EST on November 9, 2006

What are you afraid of?

“Rate My Professor” is the only place a student can go to find honest feedback about a professor. The universities and colleges provide glowing reviews of our professors, which is usually not accurate. There have been instructors that I’ve had that the university may hold in high regard, but they have been rude to the class, obsolete on current developments, or completely absent-minded. The worst are the professors that threaten their students if they go to the dean. Students should know about these professors before they sign up for their classes. The cameras and video recorders are a great idea, because it forces the school and the professors to be held accountable for what they teach and how they teach it.

Dannon, at 7:50 am EST on November 9, 2006

Accountability Loophole

Dannon,

Your professors have proved themselves again and again, not to you necessarily but to others far more competent than you to judge their qualifications. What has not been proven is the student’s competence to master college-level course material. When a student finds this material unexpectedly difficult, RMP gives them an easy out: blame the professor. Worse, it allows them to do it in an irresponsible and public way that serves to humilitate rather than inform. If you want to know who the good profs are, ask a good student. You know, the ones who seem pretty smart and studious and who do well in their classes. If you’re looking for an easy class then ask the slackers. They’ll tell you. Personally, I always looked for profs that the other students agreed were tough but fair. That way I was sure I was getting the best education for my money and effort. At least that way, you don’t need to publicly insult your professors as I’m sure you would not want us to do to you.

MF, at 1:15 pm EST on November 9, 2006

Lawsuit

I am interested in pursuing the possibility of a lawsuit against RMP for the libelous content that they permit and for its publicly defamatory nature. I am also opposed to having a student or anyone post a picture of me on the web without my express consent. I see this as infringing on my right to privacy. Where do we begin?

MF, at 1:15 pm EST on November 9, 2006

Why all the Fuss?

Ok, I am having a little bit of trouble understanding how professors can possible think that rating a student is the same as RMP. First of all, we as students pay you to educate us. If you don’t like it, find another job. If professors started to rate students, that could affect what we get as marks, simply because a professor didn’t like us. Who cares if a professor is rated poorly. Has there ever been a professor who lost a job because of a poor rating on RMP?

As for the photo thing, most professors have their photos posted on faculty websites anyways. If you don’t like it on RMP, you can contact them to take it off. This thread is just another example of why RMP needs to exist in the first place.

Ryan, at 1:55 pm EST on November 9, 2006

MF,I think a good place to begin is with the administration of our institution. Professors should protest in writing: threaten to walk off the job indefinitely if the administration does not remove their names from RMP, and guarantee that it stays off. Also the university should mandate that cell phones not be made visible in class. Failure to comply should result in the student failing the course, or being expelled from the university. Perhaps the professors’ union could get involved.

The first amendment which protects student’s freedom of expression should also protect a professor’s right to express him/herself. This of course means that professors under this amendment should have the right to publish online student’s grades along with comments explaining how the student earned that grade, if they so choose. Also professors should have the right to reply to comments made on RMP through a site of their own, and identify by name, the student that they are replying to. After spending 12-16 weeks with a student, it is not difficult to determine who has written what comment. Pattern and style of writing are all good identifiers.

Also some universities have made class evaluations online, on campus. This of course negates the argument that students need some way to find out who the good and bad professors are. Universities that don’t have this option should be pressured into having it.

A few questions to ponder: how is it that the first amendment and federal law protect students’ right to privacy and we are led to believe that it does not protect a professors’? What are our great legal minds doing about this bit of inequality and unfairness? Which other profession has an evaluation of their performance published on the World Wide Web? How come we don’t have rateyourlawyer, rateyouraccountant, rateryourdoctor, rateyourmailman, etc?

Who knows, if RMP sticks around it might inspire the creation of sites such as rateyourpharmicist, rateyournurse, rateyourengineer etc., so that by the time our students graduate and enter their profession of choice they would be in the same position as us, where irate consumers/clients rate them online, and it’s available on the World Wide Web for us to see.

Jess, at 7:25 pm EST on November 9, 2006

I have to admit i was a little taken aback when i accessed my RMP account and discovered that they were going to start posting photos. Seriously, profs have decent photos posted on the university websites, so what purpose other than humiliation could the cell phone pics serve? I don’t need this feature to chose profs, so what is the justification? As well, i have read the reviews of teachers i was thinking about taking or had taken and found the reviews to tell me two things: firstly, the good/objective students will relate the quirks, faults and strengths of the prof in question in a fairly reliable way; secondly, the flaky/"non-serious” students have a one sentence comment on how much of a b***h the teacher was because he/she was feminist/made them read books(gasp)/or actually expected them to participate in class. But does this mean that i have found RMP useful? Not really, and i’m the admin for the Bishop’s university site. I like reading the “funny” ratings—although most are rather vapid—and comparing my impressions of profs against those of the raters. I was a little surprised when i read that people actually enroll in classes based on RMP ratings. Have you been to class lately? have you seen the people that zone out for the entire time and then begin packing up as soon as the prof even begins to wrap up? These people all have a voice on RMP. Think about it. In closing, Ryan, the person who wrote about the profs being here to provide us with a service and to move on to greener pastures if they don’t like it, are you serious? Do you actually think that what is going on (or at least what should be going on) in a university environment is a simple pouring of knowledge from one vessel top another? What is the point of that? Personally, i’m here to learn which means interacting on a personal level with peers and teachers. They invented distance education for people like you—oh wait, then you would have to organize your own frathouse keggers.

bishops’ admin, bishop’s university, at 5:35 am EST on November 10, 2006

Many of the professors that have responded say that Rate My Professor is a violation of their privacy. They also like to point out that if professors were to do the same thing to students, the students would be outraged. I only have two things to say on that subject. One, my school actually does have a system in which teachers can comment to each other about specific students- and although I understand that it is not nearly as public as Rate My Professor, I see nothing wrong with it. Two, I actually could care less if professors wrote little comments about me as a student, and posting a picture would bother me even less. In fact, I would be happy to give typical comments I believe I would find on such a site. As a student, I have used Rate My Professor numerous times. However, I don’t take it as the Holy Grail Of Course Selection, nor do I know of anyone who would. Like anything, I feel that the comments have to be taken with a grain of salt. I personally have had a few horrible teachers who have scored high on Rate My Professor and I have had just as many good teachers who have scored badly on Rate My Professor. I truthfully feel that if professors took into account these ratings that they might be able to make their classes more interesting, applicable, informing (ect...) or whatever the case may be.

Stacy, La Salle University, at 7:20 am EST on November 10, 2006

Honest or not?

Dannon, you say that ““Rate My Professor” is the only place a student can go to find honest feedback about a professor.” Not everything posted about profs on RMP is honest. Given this, how is one to tell an honest review from one that isn’t?

Brian, at 11:45 am EST on November 10, 2006

The “First Amendment” Defense is Hogwash

There’s a dangerous complacency and ignorance on the part of ratemyprofessor’s managers if they think, as they are quoted, that “students are protected by the First Amendment” even when they are wrong.

Inaccurate statements that could damage a professor’s reputation are potentially actionable—that is, you could get sued. If not in the States, where such a suit would be thrown out of court, then easily in the UK, where libel laws are far more favorable to the damaged party (the professor). Since ratemyprofessor is international—and look, it’s even in the UK—and potentially accessible worldwide, false statements made about professors could be grounds for a lawsuit.

I say this not to carp—I am a professor of literature, work my a*s off to be a good teacher, and have a very favorable rating on this site—but just to let ratemyprofessor.com know that they’re silly if they think that false and potentially damaging comments on this site are protected speech worldwide. They’re not.

Jefe, Professor at California State University, Chico, at 4:40 am EST on December 20, 2006

RMP, Institutional Administrations, and Personnel Files

RMP input is clearly a partial reflection of private personnel files since university administrators partly utilize official yet anonymous student opinion surveys for making personnel decisions. Granted, those collected in class are all from bonafide students and kept confidential. On the other hand, those on RMP could be from just about anyone but, with certainty, some on RMP are from actual students.

Being away from school during the holidays I just talked with an associate chairman about some recent reviews and they indicated such reviews were only available to the reviewed individual and those further up on the supervisory step-ladder. Considering this, I find it very difficult to believe that academic institutions are apparently playing a participating role by allowing use of institutional names and its employees’ names on RMP. If indeed this is the case, then the truly responsible parties for class-action libel and defamation lawsuits will be the institutional administrations, not RMP.

BeachedatBeach, at 11:25 pm EST on December 29, 2006

Then again consider the big times!

www.ratemyprofessor.com is purely an entertainment site with all the relevant participants. Let’s see what gives here.

Got the RMP folks who obviously pick up some nice change from the site sponsors....if you think about it, RMP is simply playing the part of the stadium owner while the Sponsors are sponsoring the so-called game between the Professors who provide the entertainment to the Students as they fill up the stands.

Let’s see, something is screwy about the above scenario. Certain parties are unfairly separated on a monetary basis! Could you imagine this happening in golf where Nike forces its insignia on golfers and golfers get no kickback? Yeah, right.

Realizing that RMP arbitrarily chooses to take professors as free slaves to provide income-producing entertainment, seems only right that RMP and/or the commercial (usually Credit Card company) sponsors should provide a per-click/per-rating kickback fee to each professor on the “roster.” Such a payment scheme might even the playing field a bit.

BeachedatBeach, at 7:55 am EST on December 30, 2006

The debate about RMP...

Ahhh, such lively debate! This is one of the primary reasons I have decided to seek a higher education, not to mention the fact that I have reached the glass ceiling in the energy transfer sector. I became aware of RMP after I had registered for my first semester of classes. I chose the courses that I believed would make the greatest impact on the remainder of my academic career. I have been out of school for 27 years. I did well on the THEA and was accepted into a CC. I registered, then I downloaded the course syllabi. After reading the ENGL 101 syllabus, I became apprehensive and I started to worry that maybe I had made some grave error in judgement, returning to school after all these years. The syllabus intimidated me! I tried to print this medieval tome of pedagogical ideology but soon squandered my supply of ink. After I changed my sweat soaked shirt, I began to search, in earnest, for any information I could find on this irrational, self-centered pedant I had unwittingly acquired. At this point, I stumbled across the RMP website. I began to rejoice. The exhilaration I felt is indescribable. Here was this powerful tool that any neophyte could use so that s/he could make an informed decision on choosing which professors we are more likely to be compatible with. Sure, some of the descriptions may be skewed by predjudice or maliciousness, however one can discern the overall tone of the course and the temperament of the professor. These few generalizations can be the difference in 2.5 and a 3.5 gpa. I’ve read all of the opinions and there are nuggets of truth in every one of them. However Mr. Duemer is especially caustic in his remarks. His argument vacillates between “I once thought that RMP was a useful tool but has devolved” into racial stereotypes. I like the customer — client scenario Dr. Ahmad presented. It is a clever insight that casts the burden of “instruction” over both professor and student. Kgotthardt makes a relevant point by shifting responsibility back to the professor. S/he argues that the educators could and should post their personal cirriculum and syllabus for all prospective students to see w/ an area for student feedback. We could then make an educated guess as to whether or not this particular class/pedagogue/method of instruction would be practical and constructive for all concerned. I sincerely feel that RMP saved me a great deal of anxiety and grief, maybe even 2 letter grades. It may have even salvaged my collegiate pursuit by my not becoming disaffected with college on the premise of one course/educator. I was able to drop that class and register w/ an educator that I feel comfortable with. I could surmise, by reading his personal web page, that he is committed to educating his pupils in a confident and relaxed manner. I also feel that I am fortunate to live in the information age and that websites like RMP exist. Good day

skooldood, at 11:30 am EST on January 12, 2007

easy solution

Yes I know the world (and in particular RMP) is unfair, but instead of complaining about it the professors should take their fate into their own hands. Going to the library late at night, and see unattended computer? Go to RMP and give yourself a nice rating. Imitating your students’ writing is not too much of a problem, is it? Don’t forget to add a pepper if you wish to have one. Conferences, public libraries, your departments’ computer labs, those are all opportunities for more smiley faces. You refuse to stoop to this level and feel like a total fake who’s writing love letters to himself? All true, but shameless self-promotion is not exactly an alien concept, inside or outside the academia. Or suffer for your principles.

abc, at 5:25 pm EST on January 22, 2007

I’m a retired service member who has been attending a local community college now for over 4 years. This college is one of the larger community colleges in the U.S. with an enrollment of 20,000+. I’ve had some great classes with some great professors, but for the most part, my later-in-life college experience has been extremely disappointing. I regard almost half of the professors I had as substandard teachers (for various reasons)and wish I could have my money back for the classes I took with them. RMP is a great tool for a student to use and save themselves alot of heartache. If you have different students making the same comments on a professor quarter after quarter, its a good bet the ratings and comments are accurate. As an older student, I would like to see the Federal and State governemnts tighten up on the grants they give away to colleges. Alot of hard earned tax dollars are being wasted by an educational system that does not demand accountability.

DEF

DEF, at 3:25 pm EDT on April 26, 2007

It is all about accountability....there is nothing wrong with “rate your professor” because “professors” rate students...students just aren’t fully aware of it since it stays in a “confidential academic file.” I feel it should be public knowledge about a professor’s actons in the classroom...and the professor need to take responsibility and accountability for their actions...I would still be in graduate school if I would have known about my professor. He sexually assaulted and sexually harassed me...so i think it is absurd to keep information about “professors” confidential...I have always respected my professors and society puts them on pedastools however they “put their pants on the same way everyone else does.”

KW, at 6:55 am EDT on May 12, 2007

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