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Moving Ahead on Admissions Reforms

No manifesto emerged. But the man behind a meeting last week to consider bold changes in competitive college admissions said Monday that there was wide support for identifying ways to reform the system.

Lloyd Thacker founded the Education Conservancy two years ago out of the belief that the admissions system is out of control and that obsessions over rankings, money, prestige and testing are hurting students. While Thacker almost immediately attracted fans in the admissions world, last week’s meeting marked a shift in his reform movement as many of the participants were presidents of elite liberal arts colleges. The meeting was held at New York University’s Steinhardt Institute for Higher Education Policy.

The meeting was private and Thacker said that participants agreed not to reveal too much about it. But in an interview, Thacker said that some participants formed small groups that will be focusing on certain issues that came up, to try to identify paths to change. While he declined to say which issues they were focusing on, he said that there was discussion at the meeting of such topics as early decision, the SAT, rankings, merit financial aid, and the messages colleges send during the admissions process.

On a more practical level, Thacker said that topics discussed included the role of trustees, presidential leadership and news media coverage of admissions issues. There was considerable discussion, he said, about how to move forward — and on the question of “what we can do collectively.” He said that participants were aware of the Justice Department’s challenge in the early 1990s to the practice of Ivy League and other institutions jointly arriving at financial aid packages for students admitted to more than one institution. He said college officials believed that they could find ways to reform admissions without inviting new legal difficulties.

Thacker said that those attending had “a real interest in seeing how far we can go” in changing policies. He also said that participants — who come from elite private colleges — are interested in involving public colleges and universities in their effort.

Many admissions experts have been watching Thacker for a few years now, hoping he would build momentum for the kinds of education-centered reforms he has been talking about. A key obstacle has been the need to gain high-level support on campuses, so last week’s meeting was viewed by some as a key breakthrough. Privately, some questioned whether he could gain support from less competitive colleges, where there is more pressure to do whatever is necessary to fill dormitories and classrooms.

Some experts, however, predicted that Thacker might now position himself to attract support from a broad range of institutions.

Barmak Nassirian, associate executive director of the American Association of Collegiate Registrars and Admissions Officers, said he did not know Thacker, but thought his ideas are “worth discussing” and reflect the concerns of many admissions officials. He also said that it was key that Thacker was now working with presidents.

“I think there is an undercurrent right now of feeling the need for reform, but the problem has been that the admissions crowd is not the arbiter of how this is going to be done,” he said.

Sheldon E. Steinbach, vice president and general counsel at the American Council on Education, said it was essential that the colleges involved get good legal advice on the antitrust issues. While many in higher education — Steinbach among them — have argued that college admissions isn’t an appropriate area for antitrust enforcement, he noted that the Justice Department had rejected that point of view.

Scott Jaschik

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“Dr.” Scott’s propsed “law major” is ludicrous. Funneling people into a legal education in college creates tunnel vision, limited viewpoints and uneducated dolts.

The best legal students tend to be the ones who know a little about the world. Excellent education, work experience, something other than the single-mindedness proposed by “Dr.” Scott.

Ridiculous, at 3:40 pm EDT on August 9, 2007

Law School Admissions Too

The administration of justice by any standard you wish to use is a failure. Rather than deal with the problems the legal profession is engaged in a cover-up. They need to be forced to tell the truth and claim credit for only what they can prove. They have made far more mistakes than the wrongful convictions overturned by DNA. They must be better educated. To begin, each law school class needs specific pre-law requirements. One law school, George Washington, has begun a six year program and students skip college. As misguided as that is, it is better than doing nothing — which is what the Universities and Law Schools are doing.

William Sumner Scott, J. D.

Judicial Equality Foundation, Inc.

wss@jefound.org

William Sumner Scott, J. D., at 6:50 am EDT on June 20, 2006

The Real Story

Mr. Scott,

Please get your facts right before you post comments. GW’s 6 year program doesn’t “skip college"—it merely accelerates undergraduates through 4 years of college in 3 years (something many GW undergraduates do anyway to save on the astronomical cost of a GW education) and then enters the student in law school, where the student has to complete the same number of law school credits as any other law student.

The major difference is that it does admit students to law school when they are 17 rather than when they are in their 20s. While there are certainly arguments against this practice, I do believe (but am not sure) that students must maintain a certain GPA to remain in the 6 year program (thus ensuring that they do not coast through undergraduate courses in the secure knowledge that they have already been admitted to law school). This practice may still be an issue, but it is a different one than the one you brought up, and neither has anything to do with this article.

SRK, J.D. at George Washington University, at 7:30 am EDT on June 20, 2006

Larry

Secrecy and backroom deals – has to be removed — this issue of admissions has to be open and transparent.

If those presidents want to be viewed as leaders – they have moral obligation to pick a position and stand by it – they can’t hide behind secrecy.

Where are you Larry? Please inform your fellow esquire this is about undergraduate admissions!

David Robertson, Professor at SUNY, at 9:55 am EDT on June 20, 2006

Response to SRK and David Robertson

SRK, the program you describe has been around for 30 years in different forms — I will do more homework on the new program at GW, thank you for the correction.

Mr. Robertson, the major component of law school admission practice will come from undergraduate reform. Law majors will take a program designed for their intended majors in law school in the improved model.

William Sumner Scott, J.D.

wss@jefound.org

William Sumner Scott, J.D., at 10:55 am EDT on June 20, 2006

One note of caution

This has overtones of the “Overlap Group” so while I hhave agreed with Thacker’s views, and given that there has been no effort to repeal any aspects of the legal quandary emanating from the Overlap Group, might want to be very careful.

David R. Smedley, Associate Director of Financial Aid at Gwynedd Mercy College/Center for Lifelong Learning, at 11:30 am EDT on June 20, 2006

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