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April 26, 2006
Vocational training has always been one of the key missions of community colleges, and millions of students every year advance their careers or find career paths at two-year institutions. But problems that plague academic programs at two- and four-year institutions — especially the issue of poorly prepared students — are holding back vocational programs, according to speakers at the annual meeting of the American Association of Community Colleges, in Long Beach.
While many community colleges have long had “2+2” programs that link the curriculum in the last two years of high school with two years at a community college, speakers said that those programs aren’t reaching enough students and aren’t nearly ambitious enough in steering students in the right direction.
The usual culprits — underperforming high schools, unmotivated high schoolers — got plenty of blame, but so did community colleges.
“You have advertised yourselves as second chance institutions, and students believed you,” said Gene Bottoms, senior vice president of the Southern Regional Education Board. By saying over and over again that community colleges will help anyone, the colleges have unintentionally sent a message to high school students on a vocational track not to worry too much about the courses they take, and how hard they study, Bottoms said.
“What you have then is five years, starting in seventh grade, of students making bad decisions,” he said.
Dealing with this problem in vocational programs at two-year colleges is essential because if those programs spend their time on remediation, as many do now, they won’t be effective in dealing with the economic challenges that motivate colleges to create these programs, said Larry Warford, director of the College and Career Transitions Initiative of the League for Innovation in the Community College.
Warford said that he considered the “learning college” movement to be the last major philosophical push in two-year education, and that better preparation for vocational students was becoming “the next big movement.”
A general theme of those working on the issue is that gentle suggestion isn’t doing the trick. Warford noted that in vocational programs, just as in more traditional academic programs, the best way to predict a student’s success is to see which courses he or she took in high school. Colleges have been too reliant on an assumption — clearly false — that students will go to colleges’ Web sites or ask guidance counselors what courses to take, and then take them, he added. As a result, community colleges that say they can offer various kinds of career training in two years may not be being truthful — if a year or more is needed in remedial work, the real program length is much longer than two years.
Bottoms was more blunt: “Kids need someone in their face. Nobody is telling kids and their families the truth.”
One model praised was for states to get in students’ faces — or to force schools and colleges to do so. Kathy Hughes, a scholar at the Community College Research Center at Columbia University’s Teachers College, said that states are starting to respond to these issues with much more rigorous requirements related to the transition from high school to college. Among the examples she cited:
Beyond those efforts, individual collaborations between colleges and high schools need to become more detailed and more intense, said several speakers.
Warford, director of the College and Career Transitions Initiative, cited that program as an example. The effort has to date involved a small number of community colleges, working with local high schools on specific vocational areas — Northern Virginia Community College in health sciences, Prince George’s Community College in public safety and security, and Southwestern Oregon Community College in information technology, for example.
With local high schools, the colleges develop not just general requirements, but specific courses for students to take, from 9th through 12th grade, and then in the community college, to reach certain degree and career goals. A student would get not just a list of requirements, but a very precise road map that — if followed — would eliminate the need for remedial education.
The program is currently expanding to involve many more community colleges.
Bottoms of the SREB said that efforts with that level of specificity are needed. Many colleges have to date relied on standardized test score requirements to give high schools a sense of appropriate knowledge levels required. But that doesn’t work, Bottoms said. “You can’t teach to a 19 on the ACT. Community colleges can tell high schools which courses students need to take, though.”
James McKenney, vice president of economic and workforce development at the AACC, said that community colleges also need to pay attention to the ever growing accountability movement in Washington. He said that federal officials are going to want to see that investments in community colleges (through student aid, for example) are paying dividends. Minimizing remedial education will go a long way toward showing the cost-effectiveness of these programs, he said.
At the same time, however, he stressed that the main reason to act on these issues is that such steps will help students. “We shouldn’t be reacting out of alarm about accountability, but based on where we live and what we do,” he said.
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Are the high school guidance counselors well informed and up to date? Can’t we rely on them to be the “career specialists” that South Carolina is advocating?
M.Terrana, at 10:00 am EDT on May 22, 2006
In the vacinity of 10-20 miles of the capital city of Columbia, S.C., we have a couple of the “top” school districts in the state. More and more parents are home schooling for the failure of the schools to prepare their students for even the well known 4 year colleges. Yet, among places, such as Midland’s Technical School known most as the school for the huge waiting list to enter the nursing programm they have to spend a lot of time and money searching for remedial teachers. Guidance counselors at the elementary and middle and secondary schools, along with teachers, principals, and too many chiefs (administrators) enforce teach “The Test” to try to bring us out of last place to next to last place or hopefully 3rd from last place of school districts in the country. There are so many high school graduates who can’t even spell, know how to write a thesis statement let alone an essay. We are a family of educators transplanted from leading states in the educational arena. It’s shocking to see high schools who refused for years to add vocational programs or shut them down to proclaim “98% of our students go to college...we don’t need vocational education.” Now those same schools are adding new schools with cluster units or new wings to their schools with clusters! So much is spent per pupil with more money being thrown to change things here year after year after year. Teachers are being blamed if their students don’t make the mark. No, we aren’t those teachers, in case you think we have a personal ax to grind. Salaries are one of the lowest in the country. These educators take their work home every night and weekend and holidays and summers. Students in our “top” school districts are expected to read and do work over the summer. We have been starting school earlier and earlier every year. Finally, because of tourism being hurt, the students have the 3rd week of August to start school instead of the first couple days of August next school year. And, of course, teachers had to start in late July. Now these same teachers complain they won’t be able to ready their students for the important national tests starting later! It will give them less time to teach “the Test.” They don’t even let all students take the ACT or SAT to lower our state’s scores against the rest of the country. These are secrets we are not suppose to know as parents with children in the public schools. Back to the community college I support so much here, so many of the so called 97% high school graduates are taking remedial classes (Reading 100 and Math 100) at the community college which does not count towards graduation. Students who take advantage of dual enrollment (high school and college classes at the same time) to graduate early, many times are lost in the college class room asking college students to help them when they don’t try or apply themselves...even if they had a language class. I’ve seen young people take 4-5 years to graduate with their scholarships from the state/federal funds and/or the state lottery gone before they are half way through their educational career choice. I know a few children from physician’s families whose children have reading and spelling problems; these are very bright children but are not taught what they need to know to get from point “a” to “b.” These students are in high school or entering community college now having to take remedial classes. Those taking vocational clusters at the high schools here are doing very well and going on to post secondary schools to graduate and then to finish their junior and senior college work at the University of S.C. or another one in the Upstate area. A lot of tax payer dollars are being wasted by us S.C. taxpayers when our children are left behind in the middle and high school years. If need be, then remedial work should be done at the high school level or in their vocational programs. Many homeschoolers are proving to have higher ACT and SAT scores, win the national spelling bee or geography bee, have written poetry and other books at an early age, spend more time in community service projects, study year round with breaks in between, have family vacations that are fun but yet educational, team teach in their home school support groups, pay for classes they are ready to take earlier in life, work and homeschool at the same time with maturity, place a premium importance on family and the less fortunate, and so much more that changed my mind and my relatives about homeschooling. I want to see the public schools succeed, but throwing money at the problem or making teachers feel they’re to blame asking them to revamp their lesson plans or do something else to change how the students are failing out but being socially passed on is not making it. All we can hope for is our new Superintendent of Education we vote on this Fall will do the right thing. There are 1 or 2 candidates who know how to raise S.C. from the bottom end of the country’s list to a higher level. Vouchers have worked in other states and will do the same here, too. We have counties where schools have holes in the floors, leaking roofs that dangerously run down on light fixtures, bathrooms that are a disgrace, HVAC problems or no AC at all, no computers for students to use nor wired for them whereas some schools give their students laptops to take home in the “top” schools, lead paint coming off the walls, no gymnasium, no cafeteria, no sports, etc. These stories were exposed on major tv shows, local news, and even students from the top schools and ones who had no computers or language classes or a safe building changing places for a week to bring attention to this horrific situation. These run down schools are trying to sue the state for their fair share of the funding while our “top” schools keep building more and more new elementary, middle, and high schools with students graduating from the top schools needing remedial work at the community college. Another legislative act finally getting the attention it has needed so long is “Put Parents in Charge.” It is getting closer to being passed where parents can make the decisions how they want their children educated and where. In mine and my relatives retirement years, when we will be paying taxes on our homes with no children at home to fund education, we will be more than happy to see our money go to parents to make their own decisions for educating their children where and how they want to to stop this remedial merry-go-round.
Beth, at 5:25 am EDT on August 8, 2006
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Community Colleges
In South Carolina, Piedmont Technical College and Orangeburg Calhoun Technical College give a Career Clusters Planning Guide to high school students in their service areas. The Guide matches the cluster courses taken in high school to programs of study available at the technical college. An Individual Graduation Plan is included in Guide to help students plan the courses they will take in college.
Dr. Peggy Prescott, Dean and Director of Secondary Initiatives at Piedmont Technical College, at 9:45 am EDT on April 28, 2006